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    De bange afvallige paleisgeleerden fawzan en aala shaykh

    Shaikh al-Ulwan urges Saudi mufti Aal ash-Shaikh and Fawzan for an open debate. They refuse

    Publication time: 11 October 2013, 13:41

    As the disciples of Sheikh Suleiman al-Ulwan*tell*(he had been*convicted early October to 15 years in prison), the Islamic scholar invited Abd-al-Aziz Aal ash-Shaikh and Saleh al-Fawzan, who are known for their support of the apostate regime in Arabia, to an open debate.



    In one of his speeches, Sheikh al-Ulwan said:



    "Yes, we are ready for a debate.*We said it before and we say it again: We call for a debate about what we are upon [i.e. in what we belief], and that it is the truth, which is stated with evidences from the Book [Koran], Sunna [acts, sayings of the Prophet] and the Ijma' [consensus]. And we don't want to debate [them] in matters of ijtihad, rather we want a debate about the complete project, the project of Umma [Muslim Community], the complete project of the religion of Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. We [will] speak about matters with, "Allah said" and "The messenger said".



    And don't claim to be infallible. Yes indeed, a person affects and misses, has knowledge and is ignorant, and some issues may not be obvious for him. But why is it that every time we call them for a debate they flee from it?



    We called them to debate on numerous occasions, and we still call them [to debate with us]. But, with one condition! It is that [the debate] has to be live, we don't want it to be recorded, so that before it is aired, things are added or taken from it.



    We want the debate to be live, and that everybody can witness it. Everybody witnesses it. And everybody can listen to what we [believe] and that what we are upon is the Truth. And in this age [we live in it], we don't claim that what we are upon is the sole truth. What we are upon is a form of Ijtihad. We are not pretending it, rather it is a form of Ijma' which was agreed upon by early [scholars] and that defending the honours of Muslims is something which the scholars agreed upon", says Sheikh Suleiman al-Ulwan.



    Umar al-Hadushi emphasizes that the proposal to dispute had been sent to the most influential palace scholars of the KSA: to puppet mufti Abd-al-Aziz Aal ash-Shaikh and Saleh al-Fawzan - they both sit in the Committee of most prominent scholars of the KSA and are known for their unfounded criticism of Mujahideen and support of the apostate Saudi regime.



    "Sheikh Suleiman al-Ulwan asked the mufti and al-Fawzan for a debate, and no one responded, because the one who defends the falsehood is defeated without doubt",*said al-Hadushi.



    Meanwhile Abd-al-Aziz al-Tarifi*commented*on the 15-year prison sentence to Suleiman al-Ulwan:



    "May Allah grant relief to the muḥaddith [hadith expert] Shaikh Suleiman al-Ulwan, and may He cause him to be a source of benefit. He is considered to be among the people of honesty and truthfulness, and deserves honour and reverence. May Allah keep him steadfast

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    Uitgedaagd door de Nobele Shaykh die alle Boeken van Ahadith uit zijn hoofd kent.
    Hij die op nummer 1 staat van de Geleerden die memoriseren.
    Hij die geprezen is door vele paleisgeleerden en ook de paleisgeleerde bin bazz.

    De nobele Shaykh Sulayman Al Alwan!
    Hij die vast zit in saudi.
    Hij die geen bekendheid heeft vanwege de saudi kufr regime.

    Ya Allah! Vernietig hen en hun paleisgeleerden.
    Ameen!!

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    Ibn Taymiyyah said: And it is known from the religion (of Islam) by necessity and by the consensus of all Muslims that whoever legalizes to follow other than the religion of Islam or a Sharia other than the Sharia of Muhammad (SAW), he is a Kaafir. And his kufr is similar to that of the one who believes in some part of the book (Quran) and reject some of it. Majmua Al-Fataawa: Vol 28, p. 524.*

    FATWA 35/373 "A scholar who abandons what he has learnt from the Quran and the Sunnah and follows a ruler who does not rule in accordance with the teaching of Allah and His Messenger is an apostate and a disbeliever who deserves punishment in this world and in the hereafter " Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah, Volume 35/373*

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    PEOPLE BECOME WICKED SCHOLARS BECAUSE of the following reasons:*

    1. THEY FOLLOW THEIR EVIL AND CORRUPTED DESIRES

    And recite (O Muhammad SAW) to them the story of him to whom We gave Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), but he threw them away, so Shaitân (Satan) followed him up, and he became of those who went astray. (Al-A'raf 7:175)

    And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayât (Al-A'raf 7:176)*

    Wicked scholars follow their evil and corrupted desires
    --proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc
    --So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. (Al-A'raf 7:176):
    --however they choose to cling to the dunya

    2. THEY HAVE WEAK PERSONALITIES*
    --they can't say NO
    a person becomes a wicked scholar because they have a weak personality and cannot say no

    3. THE UMMAH FORCES THEM TO BECOMES WICKED SCHOLARS*
    4. FEAR POVERTY
    --they are afraid to lose their jobs

    5. LOVE STATUS
    --they fear if they stick to the haqq the ummah will force them out of a job
    --heretics mix truth with falsehood

    To summarize, some of the reasons why people becomes wicked scholars is:
    1. THE FOLLOW THEIR EVIL AND CORRUPTED DESIRES
    2. THEY HAVE WEAK PERSONALITY
    3. THE UMMAH FORCES THEM TO BECOMES WICKED SCHOLARS*
    4. THEY FEAR POVERTY
    5. LOVE FOR STATUS
    6. KNOWLEDGE IS FROM THE DEVIANTS AND HERETICS*
    7. FEAR OF PERSECUTION*
    --many people apostate in jail*

    8. LACK OF SINCERITY
    --they change their manhaj according to whom they are with
    --they are like chameleons
    --he pleases the people rather than Allah

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    Allahu Akbar!

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    Oh volgers van de murtad fawzan word wakker!

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan testifies to his own ignorance

    Author: Abu Imad Abdullah bin Abdullah At-Tuneesi.

    It is not my habit to expose those “sheikhs” whom knowledge is attributed to, and how often do I advise myself and my brothers to avoid talking about them from the same angle as the statement of the prophet peace be upon him:

    “Let him be! So that people do not say that Muhammad kills his own companions”

    and I do see that it was enough to explain and narrate the correct Manhaj to their followers and Mureedis so that they may know and realize the worthlessness of those people and their level of deviation from the right path, with so much anticipation in Allah to guide their deviants and return them to correctness, through the knowledge Allah has given them (our brothers).
    However, we do not see them in this gloomy circumstance except as drowning in supporting the enemies of Allah and allying with them and decorating their falsehood in challenge against the people of Tawheed and Jihad and even ruled on them as misguided and even as disbelievers and they ascribed them to the Khawaarij sect that kills the people of Islam and leave alone the people of idols in their usual manner of helping – not leaving – the people of man made law and incitement to kill the people of Tawheed, and whenever we dream and anticipate about their guidance, they increase in ignorance and tyranny and indulging in obscurantism and misinformation, in an era when the Ummah is being invaded and its religion being targeted even before its resources at the hands of the Crusaders and their tails from the hypocrites whom these “sheikhs” legalize their Taaghuti rule.
    Sheikh Saleh Al- Fawzan is one of these icons whom the Tawaagheet use to polish their image and justify their combination between islamic shareeah provisions and the provisions of manmade law, and their resort to the tawaagheet of the East and West with an ugly open support for Christians in killing the people of Islam within a stone’s throw from the Two Holy Mosques.

    The man (Fawzaan) is (theoretically) upon a correct belief in matters of Eeman and Kufr and he has a number of good refutations – theoretical – against the doctrine of the Murjiah, and he affirms in more than one place that arbitrating to man made laws that violate the Shariah is Kufr in Allah and apostacy from his religion and he overlooks the belief of such people and he condemns those who limit Kufr to belief from amongst the Murjiah Jahamiyyah who litter the Muslim countries today, however, in contrast, practically he displays Irja’ in the ugliest forms, and he does not make Takfeer rather allies with those who rule and arbitrate to Kufr laws which the whole of the Salaf (predecessors) and reputable Khalaf (successors) have agreed that arbitrating to it is an open Kufr, and he (fawzaan) condemns in the greatest form whoever makes Takfeer of them and takes them as enemies!

    How does he justify for himself this apparent contradiction?!
    The answer to the question is from the conversation between him and some of his followers, where they said:

    Questioner:
    I say O Sheikh may Allah do good to you … Some people do understand from your book ‘Kitaabu Tawheed’ which is one of your works on the issue of Haakimiyyah, and ruling by other than what Allah has revealed, that you make specific takfeer of the ruler who does not rule by what Allah has revealed and they apply this particular speech on the Gulf rulers!

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan:
    “Heh heh … people of desire!! People of desire!! The speech is clear .. there is no confusion in it… the speech is clear! and the detail is mentioned in it!
    I say again: the one who displaces the Shareeah and replaces it with man made law; this is an evidence that he has the opinion that the man made law is better than the Shareeah, and whoever has this view is a Kaafir!! … there is no doubt in it! … but they take with their understanding that which favours them! and they leave the rest of the statements! if not, had they read the statements from the beginning, it would have been clear out!! “.

    Questioner:
    And the words of Sheikh Mohammed Bin Ibrahim the same?!

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan:
    “It is same! Yes! It is: whoever displaces the Shareeah law and makes in its place man made law, it is an evidence that he believes that the man made law is better than the Shareeah law! And whoever feels that a man made law is better than the Shareeah is a Kaafir” …

    Questioner:
    What of the Gulf rulers, Sheikh?!

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan:
    “We are not capable of this … we don’t know anything about them and we do not know anything about their situation! The statement is a general statement, as for specific individuals, we need to make research …”.

    Questioner:
    There is a difference O our sheikh between specifying individuals and ruling on general !

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan – also affirming: –
    “… Yes!”.

    Questioner:
    but you know the general ruling – may Allah protect you-?!

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan:
    “The General rule! … There is no doubt in it! Did we say: Gulf rulers?!”.

    Questioner:
    No! you did not mention that … this is from the desire …

    Sheikh Al-Fawzan:
    “Hui! … Desires… When they make takfeer of the rulers of the Gulf, what will they sort out??!! … Is this reform?! Making takfeer of Gulf rulers … Is this part of reformation?! This is not reform but fitnah (sedition) !!
    “end”.


    If the Sheikh does not know the conditions of the rulers of the peninsula and what they rule with of systems and laws!! How does he now endorse what he is unaware of its situation and why does he give such an absolute alliance?

    And how come he is hostile to those who make takfeer of it with substantiated evidences and unequivocal arguments?

    But how come he issues fatwa and presents himself for fatwa while he is lagging in one of its required pillars, and that is the knowledge of the reality?
    And how come he allows himself to be ignorant of the open Kufr going on at the topmost level of the Ummah?

    And how come he declares that making takfeer of them is absolute fitnah (sedition) and corruption while he has affirmed himself that he does not know anything about their situation?
    Is the implication of this not that he attaches fitnah and corruption to the very provisions of the Shareeah that he himself recognized and which declares kufr on those who replace the Shareeah with man made laws and arbitrate to it?

    And the most important question is:

    Is it true that the Sheikh is truly ignorant of the conditions of the rulers of the Peninsula – with the open ended statement that tends to include the rulers of Kuwait who are secularists and the rulers of Yemen who are Baathists – and others?
    Is the Sheikh truly unaware of the presence of riba- based banks (interest banks) whose buildings overshadow that of the Sacred House of Allah in a bold declaration of war against Allah and His Messenger? Or is he blind and does not see it?
    Is he unaware that the land of the peninsula has turned into military bases from which the war planes of the people of the Cross lift to hit our brothers in the east and the west? Or is he deaf and does not hear?
    The issue is impossible with the people of intellect.
    It is rather a fitnah with which Allah afflicts whomever he wishes among his slaves who are allying with the oppressors and approach the door of rulers.


    And the good end is for the pious.

    Ya Allah.. vernietig fawzan alstublieft voordat de zon opkomt.

    Ameen!

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    Als zij kuffaar zijn dan ben jij daar ver onder.

    ”De redding bevind zich in drie zaken: het nuttigen van halal, het nakomen van de verplichtingen, het volgen van het voorbeeld van de profeet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam”


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    What scholars of Salaf said about “Palace Scholars”? What was their view about the government paid scholars of their time? Let us find out the quotes they published in the books.

    The Salaf used to apply these narrations to their time, which was a period where the rulers of the Muslims were Khalîfahs and Sultans, as opposed to apostates and hypocrites. And yet they were very strict on this issue, as Jalâl ad-Dîn as-Suyûtî listed several examples:

    • Sufyan ath-Thawrî رحمه الله said, “If they (i.e. the rulers) call you to read upon them: ‘Qull Hu Allâhu Ahad’ (i.e. Sûrat al-Ikhlâs), then do not go to them.” [From the book “Mâ Rawâhû al-Asâtîn Fî ‘Adam al-Majî’ ilas-Salâtîn”, Pg. 58 – 64]

    • Maymûn Ibn Mahrân said that ‘Abd Allâh Ibn ‘Abd al-Malik Ibn Marwân came to Al-Madînah so he sent his concierge to Sa’îd Ibn al-Musayyib. So he said to him, ‘Respond to Amîr al-Mu’minîn.’ He said, ‘And what is his need?’ He said, ‘So that you may speak with him.’ So he said, ‘I am not from those who speak with him.’ So the courtier returned to him and informed him. He (i.e. the Sultan) said, ‘Leave him.”* [Narrated by Abû Nu’aym in “Hilyat al-Awliya’”, Vol. 2/169]

    • Al-Bukharî رحمه الله said in his ‘Târîkh’, “I heard Adam Ibn Abî Iyâs saying, ‘I witnessed Hammâd Ibn Salamah and the Sultân had called him. So he said, ‘I would go to those ones? No, by Allâh, I would not do so.”[From “Tahthîb al-Kamâl”, Vol. 1/327 with a slightly different phrasing]

    • Al-Khatîb narrated from Hammad Ibn Salamah that one of the Khalîfahs sent a message to him, saying to him: “An issue has taken place, so come to us so that we can ask you.’ So he said to the messenger: ‘Say to him, ‘We met people who would not go to anyone, due to what had reached them from the Hadîth. So if you have a matter, then write it upon a scroll. We will write its answer for you.”

    • Ibn an-Najjâr narrated from Al-Hasan that he said, ‘If it would make you happy to stay safe and (you would like) for your religion to remain safe, then keep your hands away from the blood of the Muslims, keep your stomachs away from their wealth, keep your tongues away from their honor, do not sit with the people of innovations and do not go to the Kings, otherwise they would distort your religion upon you.”

    • From Mâlik Ibn Anas, رحمه الله , that he said, “I met ten or so men from the successors of the companions (Tâbi’în), saying: ‘Do not go to them and do not order them,’ meaning the Sultan.” [From “Ruwat Mâlik”]

    •* Abd Allâh Ibn Muhammad Ibn Ja’far narrated to us that Ibn Hassân narrated to them that Ahmad Ibn Abî al-Hawârî narrated to them saying: ‘I said to Abû Sulaymân, ‘You contradict the scholars (i.e. those scholars who work directly for the Sultan)!’ So he became angry and said, ‘Have you seen a scholar going to the gate of the Sultan and then taking their Dirhams?” [Meaning those who were being referred to by Ahmad al-Hawârî as ‘scholars’ were not considered such by Abû Sulayman, because they used to be paid by the Sultan

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    Qur3iyabi قرعيابي taa ti toe

    قل سبحان الله ومآ أنا من المشركيين ~ ومآ من المبتدعييييين


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    Dhr. Nab, een oprechte vraag:

    Wat is het oordeel op een persoon die het toestaat om te stemmen tijdens de verkiezingen in een westers land ?

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    Dhr. Nab, een oprechte vraag:

    Wat is het oordeel op een persoon die het toestaat om te stemmen tijdens de verkiezingen in een westers land ?
    Shaykh Sulayman Al Alwan heefr niet opgeroepen om te stemmem en hij heeft het niet toegestaan.
    Als jij takfir op hem wilt dorn wegens een filmpje van enkele seconden dan ben je niet goed wijs. Vuile hazimi volger.

    Doe maar takfir op jouw sheikh hazimi die saudi met volle borst heeft geprezen en heeft verdedigt.

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    Dhr. Nab, een oprechte vraag:

    Wat is het oordeel op een persoon die het toestaat om te stemmen tijdens de verkiezingen in een westers land ?
    Dit is geen oprechte vraag. Ik weet wie je bent en ik weet wat jij wilt.
    Hij heeft niet opgeroepen om te stemmen.
    Jullie Ghulaat van de hazimiya sekte doen takfir op iets van 30 seconden. Zo werkt het niet.

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    “O Jullie die geloven! Neemt niet de Joden en Christenen als bondgenoten. Zij zijn als bondgenotem van elkaar. En wie van jullie hen als bondgenoot neemt, behoort ongetwijfeld tot hen. Voorwaar, Allah leidt het onrechtvaardige volk niet.” (5:51)

    Maar toch zien we fawzan en de andere paleisgeleerden fatwa geven die het toestaan om hen als bondgenoten te nemen..*

    Word wakker mensen.

    #murtadeen!

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    Dit is geen oprechte vraag. Ik weet wie je bent en ik weet wat jij wilt.
    Hij heeft niet opgeroepen om te stemmen.
    Jullie Ghulaat van de hazimiya sekte doen takfir op iets van 30 seconden. Zo werkt het niet.
    Safi is goed, ik ben hazimiya.....wat maakt een haazimi een haazimi? Echt concreet