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    Seculiere kemalist erdogan zegt dat islam hervormingen nodig heeft

    https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/20...egrading-women Erdoğan slams bigoted clerics degrading women
    DAILY SABAH
    ANKARA
    Published March 8, 2018

    First Lady and President Erdoğan poses with women on the sidelines of the event held at the Presidential Complex.
    First Lady and President Erdoğan poses with women on the sidelines of the event held at the Presidential Complex.
    ‘Islam is updated over time, you can't impose old rules to modern times,' President Erdoğan said on International Women's Day as he criticized controversial remarks from theologians tying misogyny to Islam

    A large group of women from all backgrounds were welcomed yesterday by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at the Presidential Palace, Ankara, as part of the International Women's Day program in which the president thanked women for their central role in society. Erdoğan also underlined that Islam's rules for daily life and human relationships are updated over time, criticizing recent msogynistic remarks by some bigoted clerics.

    On International Women's Day, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan hosted women from all walks of life at the Presidential Complex. As he heaped praise on women's role in society, the president also slammed "some clerics" justifying violence against women and defending other forms of misogyny with reference to Islam.

    "Recently, some people claiming to be clerics issued statements contradicting the religion. It is hard to understand. They have no place in our times. They don't know Islam needed an update and is accordingly updated. You can't apply the practices applied 15 centuries ago today. Islam changes and adopts to the conditions of different ages. This is the beauty of Islam," Erdoğan said.

    He did not give names but was clearly referring to Nurettin Yıldız, a writer with a theology background who is viewed as a spiritual leader by his followers. Yıldız, who faces a criminal inquiry for "inciting hatred," made the headlines this week when his remarks justifying domestic violence emerged. "Allah told us to hit women [to tame them]. Women should be grateful that their husbands [only] beat them," Yıldız said in his controversial remarks that paved the way for prosecution.

    "I know some hodjas [clerics] will criticize me now. May Allah be pleased with what we say," Erdoğan added.

    The president added that bringing traditional behavior confined to its era, "to generalize exceptions" would spoil the struggle to resolve women's problems. "It is unfair to Islam, to our faith to discuss the matter by reference to religion," he said. Erdoğan dismissed different interpretations of the religion. "Our reference is the Quran and if something is not against the Quran, the conversation is over," he said.

    A public debate raged recently over the controversial remarks by Yıldız and other spiritual leaders trying to justify violence and the rape of women in a religious context. Critics have called for Yıldız to be prosecuted while Erdoğan offered a veiled criticism of Yıldız in a speech Wednesday.

    Domestic violence, particularly the murder of women by their spouses, has received wider media coverage in the past decade as awareness has been raised on the issue. Activists call for tougher sentences for perpetrators and better protection of women. Authorities say a change in mindset is needed to curb the violence.

    "We have very experienced clerics in our Presidency of Religious Affairs. They are skilled in tafseer [interpretation of the Quran] and fiqh [Islamic law]. They should not stand idle. If they don't do anything, others will fill the gap," he said, referring to the controversial "clerics." "This is how FETÖ [Gülenist Terror Group] emerged," Erdoğan added. FETÖ started out as a religious movement focusing on charity work decades ago. Led by U.S.-based Fetullah Gülen, who is known for his lax interpretation of religion, the group evolved into an influential force through its infiltrators in law enforcement, the judiciary, army and military. It tried to seize power by a coup bid in 2016.
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    https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/20...egrading-women Erdoğan slams bigoted clerics degrading women
    DAILY SABAH
    ANKARA
    Published March 8, 2018

    First Lady and President Erdoğan poses with women on the sidelines of the event held at the Presidential Complex.
    First Lady and President Erdoğan poses with women on the sidelines of the event held at the Presidential Complex.
    ‘Islam is updated over time, you can't impose old rules to modern times,' President Erdoğan said on International Women's Day as he criticized controversial remarks from theologians tying misogyny to Islam

    A large group of women from all backgrounds were welcomed yesterday by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan at the Presidential Palace, Ankara, as part of the International Women's Day program in which the president thanked women for their central role in society. Erdoğan also underlined that Islam's rules for daily life and human relationships are updated over time, criticizing recent msogynistic remarks by some bigoted clerics.

    On International Women's Day, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan hosted women from all walks of life at the Presidential Complex. As he heaped praise on women's role in society, the president also slammed "some clerics" justifying violence against women and defending other forms of misogyny with reference to Islam.

    "Recently, some people claiming to be clerics issued statements contradicting the religion. It is hard to understand. They have no place in our times. They don't know Islam needed an update and is accordingly updated. You can't apply the practices applied 15 centuries ago today. Islam changes and adopts to the conditions of different ages. This is the beauty of Islam," Erdoğan said.

    He did not give names but was clearly referring to Nurettin Yıldız, a writer with a theology background who is viewed as a spiritual leader by his followers. Yıldız, who faces a criminal inquiry for "inciting hatred," made the headlines this week when his remarks justifying domestic violence emerged. "Allah told us to hit women [to tame them]. Women should be grateful that their husbands [only] beat them," Yıldız said in his controversial remarks that paved the way for prosecution.

    "I know some hodjas [clerics] will criticize me now. May Allah be pleased with what we say," Erdoğan added.

    The president added that bringing traditional behavior confined to its era, "to generalize exceptions" would spoil the struggle to resolve women's problems. "It is unfair to Islam, to our faith to discuss the matter by reference to religion," he said. Erdoğan dismissed different interpretations of the religion. "Our reference is the Quran and if something is not against the Quran, the conversation is over," he said.

    A public debate raged recently over the controversial remarks by Yıldız and other spiritual leaders trying to justify violence and the rape of women in a religious context. Critics have called for Yıldız to be prosecuted while Erdoğan offered a veiled criticism of Yıldız in a speech Wednesday.

    Domestic violence, particularly the murder of women by their spouses, has received wider media coverage in the past decade as awareness has been raised on the issue. Activists call for tougher sentences for perpetrators and better protection of women. Authorities say a change in mindset is needed to curb the violence.

    "We have very experienced clerics in our Presidency of Religious Affairs. They are skilled in tafseer [interpretation of the Quran] and fiqh [Islamic law]. They should not stand idle. If they don't do anything, others will fill the gap," he said, referring to the controversial "clerics." "This is how FETÖ [Gülenist Terror Group] emerged," Erdoğan added. FETÖ started out as a religious movement focusing on charity work decades ago. Led by U.S.-based Fetullah Gülen, who is known for his lax interpretation of religion, the group evolved into an influential force through its infiltrators in law enforcement, the judiciary, army and military. It tried to seize power by a coup bid in 2016.
    Zullen de erdogangroupies niet leuk gaan vinden de ware gezicht van seculiere turkije die altijd al tegen islam zijn .
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    President Erdoğan defends secularism after remarks by parliament speaker
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    President Erdoğan defends secularism after remarks by parliament speaker

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    President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on April 26 that the state should have an equal distance from all religious faiths, following Parliament Speaker İsmail Kahraman’s call for Turkey’s new constitution to drop all references to secularism.

    In televised comments during his official visit to Zagreb, Erdoğan said Kahraman had simply “expressed his opinion” on the new constitution debate.

    He stressed that secularism was the idea that the state maintained “an equal distance from all belief groups,” and suggested that debates on the issue only distracted the country’s agenda.

    Kahraman had sparked outrage late on April 25 by suggesting that the principle of secularism “must be removed” from Turkey’s constitution.

    “As a Muslim country, why should we be in a situation where we are retreating from religion? We are a Muslim country. So we must have a religious constitution,” he said. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pre...-speaker-98392
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    "Recently, some people claiming to be clerics issued statements contradicting the religion. It is hard to understand. They have no place in our times. They don't know Islam needed an update and is accordingly updated. You can't apply the practices applied 15 centuries ago today. Islam changes and adopts to the conditions of different ages. This is the beauty of Islam," Erdoğan said.
    Kom op Erdo, er is helemaal niets mis met stenigingen, slavernij en seks met minderjarigen. Je haalt alle lol uit de islam op deze manier!

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    Kom op Erdo, er is helemaal niets mis met stenigingen, slavernij en seks met minderjarigen. Je haalt alle lol uit de islam op deze manier!
    Daar moeten jullie varkens toch niet raar van opkijken gezien nederlanders nr 1 zijn in het verkrachten van kinderen enigste pedoland terwereld die en pedopartij heeft .
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    Een rawafid aan het woord

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    Daar moeten jullie varkens toch niet raar van opkijken gezien nederlanders nr 1 zijn in het verkrachten van kinderen enigste pedoland terwereld die en pedopartij heeft .
    Ben jij ook een aanhanger van de gematigde islam die Erdogan voorstaat?

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    Ben jij ook een aanhanger van de gematigde islam die Erdogan voorstaat?
    Grappenmaker .
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    Grappenmaker .
    Want stenigingen zou je niet willen missen?

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    Want stenigingen zou je niet willen missen?
    Sharia gaat terugkomen in de islamitische landen of je het leuk vind of niet . Jij hebt jou kaffir land met jullie kaffir wetten waar de prostituees en sodomieten heersen is prima dat moet ik zo blijven zoals de kaffirs het willen indelen . Net zoals wij moslims onze islamitische landen met sharia willen indelen .
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    Sharia gaat terugkomen in de islamitische landen of je het leuk vind of niet . Jij hebt jou kaffir land met jullie kaffir wetten waar de prostituees en sodomieten heersen is prima dat moet ik zo blijven zoals de kaffirs het willen indelen . Net zoals wij moslims onze islamitische landen met sharia willen indelen .
    Je zou je stenigingen dus niet willen missen. Cool.

    Nu maar hopen dat ze jou een goed moslim vinden, anders sta je opeens stenen te koppen. Das wel een goede test om te kijken of je de Sharia dan nog zo n goed idee vindt.

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    Sharia gaat terugkomen in de islamitische landen of je het leuk vind of niet . Jij hebt jou kaffir land met jullie kaffir wetten waar de prostituees en sodomieten heersen is prima dat moet ik zo blijven zoals de kaffirs het willen indelen . Net zoals wij moslims onze islamitische landen met sharia willen indelen .
    Nee joh, ook moslims in die landen willen ook alleen maar een auto, tv en lekkere wijven......

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    Je zou je stenigingen dus niet willen missen. Cool.

    Nu maar hopen dat ze jou een goed moslim vinden, anders sta je opeens stenen te koppen. Das wel een goede test om te kijken of je de Sharia dan nog zo n goed idee vindt.
    Er valt niks te testen sharia komt insallah en niemand op deze aardbol hoeft mij een goeie moslim te vinden mijn enige zorg is allah en wat hij vind.
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    Kom op Erdo, er is helemaal niets mis met stenigingen, slavernij en seks met minderjarigen. Je haalt alle lol uit de islam op deze manier!
    minderjarigen: Nl 18 jaar


    Austria 16 14 with parental consent but the other partner must be at least 16.


    Catholic Church Male 16 Female14


    New Zealand male 20 female 20



    Nederland pleegt kindermisbruik op grond van andere wetten. je wilt toch eigen kaders gebruiken om andere landen neer te halen. doe je toch niet zo geod.


    Slaven: weer een poging om moslims neer te halen door de westerse definitie vans slavernij waarbij zwarte afrikanenen werden mishandeld , misbruikt en van hun vrijheid beroofd geprojecteerd op de islamitische wereld waarin slaaf synoniem stond voor personeel, met vrijheden .

    Those slaves are your brothers, only God gave you an upper hand over them. So let that who has his brother (i.e. slave) under him give him the same food he himself eats, and the same clothing as he himself wears. The master may not give his brother a task that is beyond his ability. If he does give him such task, let him lend him a hand."

    Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29

    en stenigen? laat je voorouders de amerikanen iets aan de wapenwet doen en de doodstraffen middels de elektrische stoel en vuurpeloton. imbeciel
    Hindoestanen die op de PVV stemmen beroepen zich op hindoenationalistische ideeën over moslims: hindoes die de moslims zien als bezetters en onderdrukkers van hindoes, India en mogelijk straks de rest van de wereld als ze niet worden gestopt. Zij kregen dat mee in hun opvoeding met eeuwenoude verhalen over de islamitische overheersing van Azië, zoals de mogols in India die hindoeschatten vernietigden.
    TJAH HITLER HEEFT ZIJN HAKENKRUIS TE DANKEN AAN HINDUS

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    minderjarigen: Nl 18 jaar


    Austria 16 14 with parental consent but the other partner must be at least 16.


    Catholic Church Male 16 Female14


    New Zealand male 20 female 20



    Nederland pleegt kindermisbruik op grond van andere wetten. je wilt toch eigen kaders gebruiken om andere landen neer te halen. doe je toch niet zo geod.
    Jammer dat je de minimumleeftijd binnen de islam er niet bijzet. Vast niet zonder reden.

    Slaven: weer een poging om moslims neer te halen door de westerse definitie vans slavernij waarbij zwarte afrikanenen werden mishandeld , misbruikt en van hun vrijheid beroofd geprojecteerd op de islamitische wereld waarin slaaf synoniem stond voor personeel, met vrijheden .

    Those slaves are your brothers, only God gave you an upper hand over them. So let that who has his brother (i.e. slave) under him give him the same food he himself eats, and the same clothing as he himself wears. The master may not give his brother a task that is beyond his ability. If he does give him such task, let him lend him a hand."

    Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29
    Jaja, als de moslim slaven heeft doet ie dat omdat ie het juist goed voorheeft van zn lijfeigenen. Totdat jij de slaaf bent, uiteraard.

    en stenigen? laat je voorouders de amerikanen iets aan de wapenwet doen en de doodstraffen middels de elektrische stoel en vuurpeloton. imbeciel
    Is dat echt de enige manier waarop jij stenigen kan verdedigen? Wijzen naar de doodstraf in een ander land?

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    Want stenigingen zou je niet willen missen?
    Wanneer iemand een kind zou misbruiken/verkrachten/ vermoorden zou ik er géén moeite mee hebben.
    A woman's heart should be so close to Allah swt that a man has to seek Him just to find her.❤