Citaat door iniwahnighla:Ik heb even op de link gekeken van Abdars.
er staat o. a dit.
We hebben het hier niet over Noah alayhi sallam. Maar over wat moslims na Mohamed vrede zij met hem volgen.
Ik snap niet hoe je dat als bewijs kunt aanhalen.
Indien je wat quote, quote de compleetheid want je probeert zoals gewoonlijk de moslims te misleiden.
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For example, ‘Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, “The Jamaa’ah is what is in accordance to the truth, even if you were alone (in that).” [6]
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He used to tell his students explicitly that the majority of the people have departed from the Jamaa’ah. That was still in the time of the leadership of the rightly guided Caliphs. [7]
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In our Ummah’s history, in fact, we find many documented cases of the Truth being supported by the minority of the Muslims, while the majority were upon misguidance. The clearest and most widely known case of this would be the trials of the Jahmiyyah and the Mu’tazilah of the early third century who tried to force the whole ummah to adopt the innovated belief that the Quran was created. While the correct beliefs (that the Quran is the Speech of Allaah, uncreated) were held by only a small band of people around the great imaam, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, most of the Muslims were on a belief opposing the Book and the Sunnah as the companions understood them. During these trials, this small minority were the actual “Jamaa’ah” spoken of in the hadeeth. [9]
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Ibn Qayyim al-Jowziyyah [d.751] (may Allaah have Mercy upon him) said:
The Sawaad A’tham (i.e. the Jamaa’ah) [10] was mentioned to some of the imaams of Hadeeth, who said: Do you know who the Sawaad A’tham are? They are Muhammad ibn Aslam at-Toosee and his companions.
Then, people differed and claimed that the Sawaad A’tham, the binding proof, and the Jamaa’ah is the majority (of the Muslims), making them the yardstick by which to judge the Sunnah, thus considering the (true) Sunnah to be innovation and good things to be evil, because of the small numbers of the minorities (of the people of the Truth) in each time and place. They would say: “Whoever contradicts (the majority), Allaah will cause him to contradict them by going to the Fire.” Such people, in their differing, do not even realize that the contradictory one (in reality) is the one who opposes the Truth, even if all of the people were upon it (that which opposes the Truth), except for one of them. In such a case, they (the majority) are the opposers (not the minority). [11]
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Lastly, from a logical standpoint, how could the majority of the Muslims be the “Jamaa’ah” when the Prophet (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace) identified the saved sect, “the Jamaa’ah”, as a minority in the very hadeeth that people continue to quote without understanding its meaning. The hadeeth clearly states that the Muslims will split into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one – “the Jamaa’ah”. So, the saved sect, the Jamaa’ah, is one group out of 73 groups, according to the Messenger of Allah (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace).
You do the math – Is ONE SECT out of 73 the majority or the minority? [12]
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Al-Munaawee (d.1031) said in his famous explanation of aSuyootee’s al-Jaami’ as-Sagheer, explaining the hadeeth of the 73 sects:
فيه كثرة أهل الضلال وقلة أهل الكمال
“In it (the hadeeth) is that the people of misguidance are many, and the people of completeness (proper adherance) are few.” [13]
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After warning his Ummah about the splitting and differing that will take place, the Messenger of Allaah (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace) clarified that the one single group of the 73 sects that will go to Paradise is known as “the Jamaa’ah”. [1]
This is further detailed in another narration (what means): “What I and my companions are upon.” [2]
These narrations are authentic by way of their numerous supporting chains. [3]
In another crucially important hadeeth, the Prophet (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace) said (what means): “Those of you who live long after me shall witness great differing. So upon you is (to follow) my Sunnah, and the Sunnah of the rightly-guided Caliphs, hold tightly to it and bite onto it with your molar teeth. And be warned of newly-invented matters (in the Religion), as every newly-invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance.” [4]
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Which group today remains firm upon this way? When you look to all the various groups and their foundations, you only find one group today that claims pure adherence to the way of the Prophet and his noble companions. They are Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah, the people who cling tightly to the way of the Prophet (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace) and his companions. Whether you call them Sunnis, Salafees, Atharees, Ahlul-Hadeeth, Ahlul-Athar, or any other description, they are the only ones whose true allegiance is to the Book and the Sunnah, according to the understanding of the Companions. They are the Jamaa’ah described in the hadeeth. [5]
De Jama'a zijn degenen die zich BEVINDEN op hetzelfde als waar de profeet sallallaahoe 'alayhi wa sallam en zijn sahaba zich op bevonden. Dat is de Jama'a en dit is uiterst duidelijk voor een ieder met een greintje inzicht. In de ene Hadith beschreef de profeet sallallaahoe 'alayhi wa sallam de Geredde Groep als de "Jama'a" en in een andere authentieke overlevering zei hij: "degenen die zich bevinden OP hetgeen waar ik EN mijn metgezellen zich vandaag op bevinden."
De Geredde Groep is dus slechts degenen die zich bevinden op HETZELFDE als waar de profeet sallallaahoe 'alayhi wa sallam en zijn metgezellen zich op bevonden. De meerderheid of de grootste groep van de moslims is niet de maatstaf voor het kennen van de Geredde Groep. De maatstaf om de Geredde Groep te kennen is dat zij de Qor'aan en Sunnah op DEZELFDE manier begrijpen en naleven zoals de profeet sallallaahoe 'alayhi wa sallam en zijn sahaba het hebben begrepen en nageleefd. Dat is de Haqq en de meerderheid van de moslims vandaag is voor iedere moslim met zelfs maar een grientje kennis, duidelijk te zien dat ze zich niet vasthouden aan de Kitaab en Sunnah volgens dezelfde begrip als die van de sahaba. Dit is duidelijk zonder twijfel, maar zoals jij zelf zegt: geloof en volg wat je wilt en ik eindig met een prachtige uitspraak van shaykh Rabie':
"Tussen ons en jullie zijn de boeken van de Salaf" - Shaykh Rabee´ al-Madkhalee
http://https://youtu.be/ZhsqvLdYlrA?t=23