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14-08-2014, 07:16

Citaat door Vlissingen.:
On 29 June, after the spectacular takeover of Mosul and other Iraqi cities, the Islamic State (IS) declared a caliphate in Iraq and Syria. How can the sudden rise to power of IS be explained? What is the future of the caliphate, and of the region as a whole? Romain Caillet provides an assessment. Interview.

Iraqis in flight from their homes in Mosul, July 2014 Iraqis in flight from their homes in Mosul, July 2014. Joseph Galanakis/Demotix. All rights reserved. Christelle Gence conducted the following interview with Romain Caillet in French, originally published on 15 July 2014 by SaphirNews under the title L’Etat islamique va s’installer durablement en Iraq et en Syrie. Due to the dynamic nature of the situation in Iraq, the author later added some paragraphs in August.



Saphirnews: How do you explain the rise of the Islamic State in recent weeks, particularly since the capture of Mosul?

Romain Caillet: The Islamic State (IS) – initially the Islamic State in Iraq, then the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, and now the Islamic State – has been a state within a state in Iraq for years. It has the support of the majority of Iraq's Sunnis, who feel marginalised by the Shiite regime of Nuri al-Maliki, which they see as sectarian. There was some evidence to suggest that Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, was a fiefdom of IS, so it was no surprise to see them take Mosul.

S. What does this indicate about the situation in Iraq?

RC. The collapse of the regime of Nuri al-Maliki, which allowed IS to take many cities, not only in the region of Nineveh, but also in the regions of al-Anbar, Kirkuk, and Diyala, shows two things: the failure of al-Maliki to govern Iraq on the one hand, and the total failure of the Americans to remove the Sunni Arab elite from Iraq’s governance and army. We see the results of this today. Despite the billions of dollars sunk into Iraq, the Americans have been unable to form either a government with the Shiite community or a new army – a strategy that has resulted in the marginalisation of the Sunni community.

S. You say that the majority of Sunnis support IS?

RC. The overwhelming majority of Sunnis supported insurgency against the al-Maliki regime. It turns out that this insurgency is led by IS. Maybe it will not last, maybe people will eventually refuse literalist applications of sharia by IS or find them too authoritarian. However, virtually all Sunnis today support this insurrection. Without an air force, helicopters or any real heavy weapons, and with the means that they do have, IS would have been unable to take all these cities if they did not have the broad support of the population.

It is particularly significant that during a speech on 12 July, one month after the takeover of Mosul, ‘Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri, formerly close to Saddam Hussain and current leader of the Iraqi Baathists, paid tribute to IS, characterising its fighters as heroic knights at the forefront of the battle. Never has an Arab nationalist spoken of a jihadi group in such glowing terms, which demonstrates IS’s popularity amongst Sunnis regardless of their ideological affiliation. Following an ultimatum from IS to either convert to Islam or accept the status of dhimmi or non-Muslim citizen (entailing the payment of jizya, a special tax, and accepting an inferior status to Muslims), the Christians of Mosul left in droves on 18 July. This mass exodus has been condemned by the Baathists. However, this development still does not imply a rupture with the Islamic State, since it is the exodus of the Christians that is being condemned; the condemnation at no point explicitly mentions the Islamic State itself.

S. Where does IS derive its means? Who pays for it?

RC. They are self funded. Before taking the oil wells in the region of Mosul, they levied about $100 million per year in tax (extortion, revolutionary tax). Then, there are also the [resources from] the operating oil wells in Syria and Iraq, and the taking of western hostages. IS has virtually no foreign support. Just reading its literature, it’s clear that its worst enemies are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf regimes, which they vilify regularly. Remember as well that most rebel brigades fighting IS in Syria today are financed, armed, and sometimes trained by the Gulf regimes.

S. Why are IS and Saudi Arabia worst enemies?

RC. One of the most famous works in the contemporary jihadist corpus is a treatise entitled, The Shameful Actions Manifest in the Saudi State's Disbelief. The author of this book, Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi, a Jordanian sheikh of Palestinian origin, outlines three elements justifying the takfir or exclusion of this state from the sphere of Islam, namely: its military alliance with the United States (especially since the Gulf War); Saudi participation in international institutions (as Saudi Arabia is a founding member of the UN); and finally, the increasing use of more systematic positive law in the Saudi court system.

S. For now, IS is accepted by the Sunni population. What could reverse this state of affairs?

RC. The Al-Jazeera journalists were surprised to see people cheering on IS in Mosul; they could not believe their eyes. The allegiance of the tribes in the Syrian Euphrates valley is more volatile [The recent revolt by the Shu’aytat clan, which took hold in a dozen villages between Mayadin and Bukamal in the Deir Ezzor region, confirms the volatility of Syrian tribal allegiances. The revolt seems to have been triggered by IS’s ban the evening before on tobacco and the water pipe for the entire Deir Ezzor region]. But for now, IS is massively supported by the Sunni population of Mosul, which prefers IS to al-Maliki’s Shiite regime.

S. So could IS settle permanently in Iraq?

RC. Yes, I think IS will settle permanently. Sunnis know that IS is their only hope of becoming masters again. They certainly have a demographic disadvantage in Iraq (where they are a minority), but ISIS’s goal is to merge these territories with Syria to reverse this demographic relationship and have a Sunni state straddling Iraq and Syria. Perhaps eventually, more moderate people than those of IS will take their place. But I think the Middle East as we know it is finished; the regional boundaries from the Sykes-Picot agreement (signed in 1916 between France and Britain to define the borders of the Middle East) no longer exist.

The idea that the borders will disappear is not new. Walid Jumblatt, the Druze leader, already expressed this idea when the revolution started in Syria in 2011. Robert Fisk reformulated it in an article for The Independent a few weeks ago, when IS bulldozed a wall of sand that served as a border between Iraq and Syria.

S. Will IS manage to establish itself in a lasting way in Syria?

RC. Certainly. Currently, they occupy more than 90 pecent of the area of Deir Ezzor (in eastern Syria). Generally, the Euphrates valley, where the population is culturally very similar to Iraqi Sunnis, is clearly under the control of IS. So there is a historical coherence in a state like that. In Syria, the Euphrates valley is inhabited by tribes that were forcibly settled when the borders were only faintly outlined, and these nomadic tribes were straddling territories in Iraq and Syria. I did interviews with people who are not close to IS, but feel they belong to a tribe, who feel more Bedouin than Syrian. They have always felt closer to Iraqis than to the Syrians of Damascus or the coast – and that’s without even touching upon the religious question. Beyond that, they also share a common culture.

So, does IS have the option of establishing itself further beyond the valley of the Euphrates? I do not know. To the west of Aleppo and in the region of Idlib, where people very much feel themselves to be Syrians, and not at all close to the Iraqis, there is a wholesale rejection of IS.


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14-08-2014, 07:54


de reden dat ze saudi haten is niet omdat ze ibnu s haten maar omdat ze de weg gaan openen voor israel zodat straks de anti christ makkelijk medina en mekka kan passeren niet enteren


wat deze idioten alleen maar bereiken is de islamitische landen verzwakken door ze intern aan te vallen zodat straks israel onverslaanbaar is

14-08-2014, 08:36

Citaat door touzaniabdelos:
de reden dat ze saudi haten is niet omdat ze ibnu s haten maar omdat ze de weg gaan openen voor israel zodat straks de anti christ makkelijk medina en mekka kan passeren niet enteren
De antichrist zie ik meer als een symbool. Een stemming of een drang bij mensen waarbij ze maling aan elkaar hebben en aan de wetten van God.
Een stemming waarbij oorlog in het verschiet ligt. Het collectieve denken bij mensen doordat ze opgehitst worden voor volksmenners!
Maar de antichrist als mens kan ik me niet echt voorstellen.
Maar ik realiseer me dat die in deze tijd best zou kunnen komen.
De stemming onder sommige mensen is er wel naar!



Citaat:
wat deze idioten alleen maar bereiken is de islamitische landen verzwakken door ze intern aan te vallen zodat straks israel onverslaanbaar is
Dat is ook het oogmerk van die antichrist!
Het kapotmaken van banden die mensen met elkaar hebben.
Van klein tot groot.

Mensen onzeker maken door allerlei onnavolgbare maatschappelijke ontwikkelingen.

Mensen het gevoel geven gefaald te hebben terwijl dat helemaal niet zo hoeft te zijn!

Bijna het onmogelijke eisen van mensen.

Veel mensen zijn niet bestand tegen de enorme stress waaronder ze gebukt gaan.
In een samenleving van alles of niets.

Een neo-liberale samenleving van ikke ikke ikke........en de rest kan stikkeh.......................

Religie wordt kapotgemaakt...............
Dat kan je bijvoorbeeld zien aan de Rooms Katholieke kerk.

En wat ik momenteel sterk waarneem bij de Islam is dat deze religie ook sterk ondermijnt wordt.
En wat mij aan jouw posting opviel; jij dit ook van binnenuit noemt.

De oorzaak?

Ik kan dat alleen maar symbolisch uiten, maar wat dacht je van hebzucht?
Verlokkingen?

Kijk eens per ongeluk 's-nachts naar de televisie en je kunt naar kronkelende kirrende dames kijken .
Een kleinigheid misschien, want échte porno is in letters.

Om kort te gaan: Een enorm verval van normen en waarden in een samenleving waarin je kinderen nieteens veilig zijn.

Ouders die beiden werken brengen 's-ochtends hun kinderen naar de crèche en halen en na werktijd weer op.

Allemaal onnatuurlijke situaties die samenwerken en -leven erg moeilijk maken.
Een tijd waarin ook de meest apocalyptische rampen kunnen ontstaan.

Door toedoen van de mens of een opeenvolging van gebeurtenissen die tot catastrofes kunnen leiden.
Een grote natuurramp of zo.

Allemaal zaken die zo gebeuren kunnen en in korte tijd de mensheid kunnen decimeren!