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04-05-2011, 14:05
Zouden jullie daar ook een daliel bij willen plaatsen?

BarakAllah oe fiek!

04-05-2011, 14:18


Gewoon simpel, mannen met wie je niet kunt trouwen. Vader, oom, opa, zoon, broer etc.

04-05-2011, 14:25

Citaat door Victoria18:
Gewoon simpel, mannen met wie je niet kunt trouwen. Vader, oom, opa, zoon, broer etc.


zo simpel is dat niet. Hoe weet zij nou of ze wel of niet mag trouwen met haar schoonvader?

marokko.nl en hun geleerdes

04-05-2011, 14:27
Vanuit de man gezien:

4:23. Verboden zijn u uw moeders en uw dochters en uw zusters en uw vaders zusters en uw moeders
zusters en uw broeders dochters en uw zusters dochters en uw minnen en uw zoogzusters en de moeders
uwer vrouwen en uw stiefdochters, die uw beschermelingen zijn door uw vrouwen tot wie gij zijt ingegaan,
maar als gij niet tot haar zijt ingegaan zal er geen zonde op u rusten en de vrouwen uwer eigen zonen (zign
ook verboden) alsmede twee zusters tezamen te hebben, met uitzondering van wat reeds voorbij is; gewis,
Allah is Vergevensgezind, Genadevol;

04-05-2011, 14:47



Citaat door Hamza_300:
zo simpel is dat niet. Hoe weet zij nou of ze wel of niet mag trouwen met haar schoonvader?

marokko.nl en hun geleerdes


Ik heb 'etc' erbij vermeldt opdat ze een zelfonderzoek zou doen. Daaronder kun je ook schoonvader verstaan. En zoiezo, niet met je schoonvader trouwen is vanzelfsprekend en logisch.

04-05-2011, 14:53

Citaat door Victoria18:
Gewoon simpel, mannen met wie je niet kunt trouwen. Vader, oom, opa, zoon, broer etc.
Dalil graag?

Citaat door amsterdam_0_2_0:
Vanuit de man gezien:

4:23. Verboden zijn u uw moeders en uw dochters en uw zusters en uw vaders zusters en uw moeders
zusters en uw broeders dochters en uw zusters dochters en uw minnen en uw zoogzusters en de moeders
uwer vrouwen en uw stiefdochters, die uw beschermelingen zijn door uw vrouwen tot wie gij zijt ingegaan,
maar als gij niet tot haar zijt ingegaan zal er geen zonde op u rusten en de vrouwen uwer eigen zonen (zign
ook verboden) alsmede twee zusters tezamen te hebben, met uitzondering van wat reeds voorbij is; gewis,
Allah is Vergevensgezind, Genadevol;

En vanuit de vrouws kant?

04-05-2011, 14:57

Citaat door mystery_fessia:
Zouden jullie daar ook een daliel bij willen plaatsen?

BarakAllah oe fiek!

je broer, vader, oom, opa zijn directe bloedverwanten waarmee je niet mag trouwen.

je hebt ook mahrams door huwelijk waar onder de stiefvader valt wanneer die in de moeder is geweest om het even zo te noemen. de zoon van de stiefvader en je schoonvader op het moment dat er een ja woord is gegeven.

je hebt dan ook nog mahram door zoogmoeder. als er een jongen zelfde zoogmoeder heeft gehad, dan is hij ook een mahram voor de vrouw

04-05-2011, 15:00
BarakAllah oe fiek voor het plaatsen!
Ik ben momenteel in discusie met iemand die beweert dat de oom geen ma7raam is en wil graag het tegendeel bewijzen.

Graag met dalil als je die erbij hebt..

04-05-2011, 15:01

Citaat door mystery_fessia:
BarakAllah oe fiek voor het plaatsen!
Ik ben momenteel in discusie met iemand die beweert dat de oom geen ma7raam is en wil graag het tegendeel bewijzen.

Graag met dalil als je die erbij hebt..



hij of zij zal denk ik een neef bedoelen

de mannen waarmee de vrouw niet mag trouwen staan in surat nur aya 31.

zeg tegen de persoon die zulke dingen zegt dat die de quran van binnen moet lezen in plaats van de kaft bewonderen.

04-05-2011, 15:11

Citaat door ghalil:


hij of zij zal denk ik een neef bedoelen

de mannen waarmee de vrouw niet mag trouwen staan in surat nur aya 31.

zeg tegen de persoon die zulke dingen zegt dat die de quran van binnen moet lezen in plaats van de kaft bewonderen.


Dat dacht ik ook ja. Hij haalt de bloed onder mijn nagels vandaag

Zal ik doen

04-05-2011, 15:41

Citaat door mystery_fessia:
BarakAllah oe fiek voor het plaatsen!
Ik ben momenteel in discusie met iemand die beweert dat de oom geen ma7raam is en wil graag het tegendeel bewijzen.

Graag met dalil als je die erbij hebt..




Assalamu alikum,


Bedoel je dit met "oom"? Ter info het bijgevoegde. Hoop dat het zo duidelijker is geworden meis. Ghair insha Allah.


Wa alikum assalam


[COLOR="Blue"]A woman’s maternal uncle is a mahram and it is permissible for him to be alone with her:

What is the ruling on a wife’s maternal uncle visiting her when she is alone during the time her husband is working? This situation has come up more than once.


Praise be to Allaah.

The maternal uncle is a mahram for all the daughters and granddaughters of his sisters, because Allaah says in Soorat al-Nisa’, defining women who are forbidden in marriage:

“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

So there is nothing wrong with his visiting his sister’s daughter and being alone with her or travelling with her, so long as there are no reasons for suspicion, such as if he is an evildoer and cannot be trusted with his sister’s daughter. If there are any grounds for suspicion, then he is not allowed to be alone with or visit her when her husband is not present.


Some of the salaf – such as ‘Ikrimah and al-Sha’bi – were of the view that even though it is not permissible for a paternal uncle or a maternal uncle to marry their sister’s daughter or brother’s daughter, it is nevertheless not permissible for her to show her adornment in front of them, and she must observe hijab with them. They quoted two things as evidence for that:

1 – The maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse of Soorat al-Ahzaab which says that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment in front of her mahrams. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is no sin on them (the Prophet’s wives, if they appear unveiled) before their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brother’s sons, or the sons of their sisters, or their own (believing) women, or their (female) slaves. And (O ladies), fear (keep your duty to) Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Ever All‑Witness over everything”

[al-Ahzaab 33:55]

Here Allaah does not mention the paternal uncle or maternal uncle.

2 – They said: and because a maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to his sons.

But the majority of scholars are of the view that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are among the mahrams in front of whom it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment. In response to the comment that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse, they said:

They are not mentioned because their status is like that of the parents, hence Allaah calls the paternal uncle a father, in the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya’qoob (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, ‘What will you worship after me?’ They said, ‘We shall worship your Ilaah (God — Allaah) the Ilaah (God) of your fathers, Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), One Ilaah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)’”

[al-Baqarah 2:13]

Ismaa’eel was the paternal uncle of Ya’qoob (peace be upon them both)

2 – They are not mentioned because it is sufficient to mention the brother’s son and sister’s son, so it is more appropriate that this ruling should apply to the paternal uncle and maternal uncle.

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said (p. 788):

“It is no sin on them” means if they do not observe hijab in front of them. No mention is made here of paternal uncles and maternal uncles because if women do not have to observe hijab in front of those whose paternal and maternal aunts they are, the sons of their brothers and sisters, even though they (these women) are of a higher status than them, then it is more likely that they do not have to observe hijab in front of their paternal and maternal uncles. End quote.

With regard to the reason given, that the maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to their sons, the majority of scholars responded to this by noting that this is a weak argument, because if this is accepted, it would imply that it is not permissible for a woman to uncover her adornment in front of any woman, because she may describe her to her sons!

One thing which indicates that the view of the majority – that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment to her paternal and maternal uncles, and that it is permissible for them to enter upon her and be alone with her – is correct is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (4796) and Muslim (1445) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me after the (verse of) hijab had been revealed, and I said, I will not let him in until I ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for permission, because his brother Abu’l-Qu’ays is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me and I said to him: “O Messenger of Allaah, Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me, but I refused to let him in until I asked your permission. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What kept you from letting him in? He is your paternal uncle!” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, the man is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me.” He said: “Let him in, for he is your paternal uncle, may your right hand be rubbed with dust.” So if a paternal uncle through breastfeeding is allowed to enter upon a woman and be alone with her, then it is more appropriate that a paternal uncle through blood ties be allowed to do so, and the same applies to the maternal uncle.

See Tafseer al-Qaasimi, 13/298

And Allaah knows best.[/COLOR]

04-05-2011, 15:50

Citaat door Arab-ELLA:
Assalamu alikum,


Bedoel je dit met "oom"? Ter info het bijgevoegde. Hoop dat het zo duidelijker is geworden meis. Ghair insha Allah.


Wa alikum assalam


[COLOR="Blue"]A woman’s maternal uncle is a mahram and it is permissible for him to be alone with her:

What is the ruling on a wife’s maternal uncle visiting her when she is alone during the time her husband is working? This situation has come up more than once.


Praise be to Allaah.

The maternal uncle is a mahram for all the daughters and granddaughters of his sisters, because Allaah says in Soorat al-Nisa’, defining women who are forbidden in marriage:

“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

So there is nothing wrong with his visiting his sister’s daughter and being alone with her or travelling with her, so long as there are no reasons for suspicion, such as if he is an evildoer and cannot be trusted with his sister’s daughter. If there are any grounds for suspicion, then he is not allowed to be alone with or visit her when her husband is not present.


Some of the salaf – such as ‘Ikrimah and al-Sha’bi – were of the view that even though it is not permissible for a paternal uncle or a maternal uncle to marry their sister’s daughter or brother’s daughter, it is nevertheless not permissible for her to show her adornment in front of them, and she must observe hijab with them. They quoted two things as evidence for that:

1 – The maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse of Soorat al-Ahzaab which says that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment in front of her mahrams. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is no sin on them (the Prophet’s wives, if they appear unveiled) before their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brother’s sons, or the sons of their sisters, or their own (believing) women, or their (female) slaves. And (O ladies), fear (keep your duty to) Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Ever All‑Witness over everything”

[al-Ahzaab 33:55]

Here Allaah does not mention the paternal uncle or maternal uncle.

2 – They said: and because a maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to his sons.

But the majority of scholars are of the view that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are among the mahrams in front of whom it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment. In response to the comment that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse, they said:

They are not mentioned because their status is like that of the parents, hence Allaah calls the paternal uncle a father, in the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya’qoob (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, ‘What will you worship after me?’ They said, ‘We shall worship your Ilaah (God — Allaah) the Ilaah (God) of your fathers, Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), One Ilaah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)’”

[al-Baqarah 2:13]

Ismaa’eel was the paternal uncle of Ya’qoob (peace be upon them both)

2 – They are not mentioned because it is sufficient to mention the brother’s son and sister’s son, so it is more appropriate that this ruling should apply to the paternal uncle and maternal uncle.

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said (p. 788):

“It is no sin on them” means if they do not observe hijab in front of them. No mention is made here of paternal uncles and maternal uncles because if women do not have to observe hijab in front of those whose paternal and maternal aunts they are, the sons of their brothers and sisters, even though they (these women) are of a higher status than them, then it is more likely that they do not have to observe hijab in front of their paternal and maternal uncles. End quote.

With regard to the reason given, that the maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to their sons, the majority of scholars responded to this by noting that this is a weak argument, because if this is accepted, it would imply that it is not permissible for a woman to uncover her adornment in front of any woman, because she may describe her to her sons!

One thing which indicates that the view of the majority – that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment to her paternal and maternal uncles, and that it is permissible for them to enter upon her and be alone with her – is correct is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (4796) and Muslim (1445) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me after the (verse of) hijab had been revealed, and I said, I will not let him in until I ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for permission, because his brother Abu’l-Qu’ays is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me and I said to him: “O Messenger of Allaah, Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me, but I refused to let him in until I asked your permission. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What kept you from letting him in? He is your paternal uncle!” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, the man is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me.” He said: “Let him in, for he is your paternal uncle, may your right hand be rubbed with dust.” So if a paternal uncle through breastfeeding is allowed to enter upon a woman and be alone with her, then it is more appropriate that a paternal uncle through blood ties be allowed to do so, and the same applies to the maternal uncle.

See Tafseer al-Qaasimi, 13/298

And Allaah knows best.[/COLOR]
BarakAllah oe fiek! Dankjewel hier heb ik meer aan!

Citaat door AdamWest_:
Mohim oom is ma7ram klaar.

Hij deed mij zjnoen!

04-05-2011, 15:57



Citaat door mystery_fessia:
BarakAllah oe fiek! Dankjewel hier heb ik meer aan!

Hij deed mij zjnoen!



Ameen! Wa feeki lieve oeghty! Graag en fisabililah gedaan lieverd! Nu heb je duidelijke daliel om als nasieha aan hem uit te leggen waar het op gebaseerd wordt vanuit de edele Koran en de sunnah.

04-05-2011, 15:57
Koppig en denken dat hij gelijk heeft

04-05-2011, 15:58

Citaat door Arab-ELLA:
Ameen! Wa feeki lieve oeghty! Graag en fisabililah gedaan lieverd! Nu heb je duidelijke daliel om als nasieha aan hem uit te leggen waar het op gebaseerd wordt vanuit de edele Koran en de sunnah.

Zal ik zeker doen!


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