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16-04-2011, 16:48
Salaam aleykoum, ik denk dat mijn vraag wel duidelijk is? Vanaf welke leeftijd kan iemand als mahram dienen bij een afspraak tussen man en vrouw met als doel huwelijk?

Wa salaam.

16-04-2011, 17:00



Citaat door Lil_S:
Salaam aleykoum, ik denk dat mijn vraag wel duidelijk is? Vanaf welke leeftijd kan iemand als mahram dienen bij een afspraak tussen man en vrouw met als doel huwelijk?

Wa salaam.



Assalamu alaikum oeghty,

Hierbij ter info n.a.v. je vraag het onderstaande, zie het onderstreepte. Hoop je zo op weg geholpen te hebben meis. Moge Allah subhanahu watahala het je vergemakkelijken en je een gezegend liefdevol huwelijk schenken met een oprechte liefdevolle echtgenoot! Ameen!

Wa alikum assalam


Conditions which must be met by a mahram in order to travel with him, and for there to be no khulwah:

My question is that is Mahram subject to age? I. E. after a certain age (say 0 to 9,10 or 70s and 80s ect) is conditions of mahram applicable? What is the ruling on Mahram when Janazas are concern? (I.e. visiting a Janaza ect)Is same conditions applicable? Please explain?


Praise be to Allaah.

This question covers three topics:

1 – The age at which a person is considered to be a valid mahram for a woman:

It was said that with regard to the mahram with whom a woman may travel, he should be a Muslim, male, an adult and of sound mind, and someone whom a woman is permanently forbidden to marry, such as her father, brother, paternal uncle, brother through breast-feeding (radaa’ah), father-in-law, etc.

2- With regard to being alone with a non-mahram woman (khulwah) (inside the city, i.e., not traveling), this is avoided by the presence of an adult mahram or an adult in front of whom they feel shy. The presence of a young child is not sufficient. Khulwah may also be avoided by the presence of another woman or another man, so long as there are no grounds for suspicion and there is no fear of danger.

(al-Fataawa al-Jaami’a li’l-Mar’ah, 3/935, 938)

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said (9/109): “If a man is alone with a non-mahram woman, without there being a third person present, this is haraam according to the consensus of the scholars. Similarly, if the person with them is one of whom they do not feel shy because he is young, that does not avoid the forbidden khulwah.”

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The person through whom khulwah is avoided must be an adult; the presence of a child is not sufficient. What some women think, that having a child with her avoids khulwah, is mistaken thinking.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/52)

3- With regard to women visiting graves, the more correct of the two scholarly views is that visiting graves is not permissible for women.
We ask Allaah to keep us away from evil, visible or invisible. Ameen.

Allah knows best.

16-04-2011, 17:08

Citaat door Arab-ELLA:
Assalamu alaikum oeghty,

Hierbij ter info n.a.v. je vraag het onderstaande, zie het onderstreepte. Hoop je zo op weg geholpen te hebben meis. Moge Allah subhanahu watahala het je vergemakkelijken en je een gezegend liefdevol huwelijk schenken met een oprechte liefdevolle echtgenoot! Ameen!

Wa alikum assalam


Conditions which must be met by a mahram in order to travel with him, and for there to be no khulwah:

My question is that is Mahram subject to age? I. E. after a certain age (say 0 to 9,10 or 70s and 80s ect) is conditions of mahram applicable? What is the ruling on Mahram when Janazas are concern? (I.e. visiting a Janaza ect)Is same conditions applicable? Please explain?


Praise be to Allaah.

This question covers three topics:

1 – The age at which a person is considered to be a valid mahram for a woman:

It was said that with regard to the mahram with whom a woman may travel, he should be a Muslim, male, an adult and of sound mind, and someone whom a woman is permanently forbidden to marry, such as her father, brother, paternal uncle, brother through breast-feeding (radaa’ah), father-in-law, etc.

2- With regard to being alone with a non-mahram woman (khulwah) (inside the city, i.e., not traveling), this is avoided by the presence of an adult mahram or an adult in front of whom they feel shy. The presence of a young child is not sufficient. Khulwah may also be avoided by the presence of another woman or another man, so long as there are no grounds for suspicion and there is no fear of danger.

(al-Fataawa al-Jaami’a li’l-Mar’ah, 3/935, 938)

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said (9/109): “If a man is alone with a non-mahram woman, without there being a third person present, this is haraam according to the consensus of the scholars. Similarly, if the person with them is one of whom they do not feel shy because he is young, that does not avoid the forbidden khulwah.”

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The person through whom khulwah is avoided must be an adult; the presence of a child is not sufficient. What some women think, that having a child with her avoids khulwah, is mistaken thinking.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 10/52)

3- With regard to women visiting graves, the more correct of the two scholarly views is that visiting graves is not permissible for women.
We ask Allaah to keep us away from evil, visible or invisible. Ameen.

Allah knows best.


Wa aleykoum salaam zuster. BarakAllahou feeki voor je reactie.

An adult and of sound mind? Maar wanneer is een jongen dan volwassen binnen de islaam?

En stel dat het geen kind is, maar ook niet echt een volwassene, maar dat je wel schaamte voor hem hebt, dus niet dat je onbeschaamd bent in zijn buurt.

Misschien stel ik nutteloze vragen, maar weet jij soms de antwoorden hierop?

16-04-2011, 17:14
selem aleikoum zuster

Tot de tekenen van volwassenheid behoort de ‘natte droom’ (het vrijkomen van vocht bij opwinding. Dit kan natuurlijk ook gewoon overdag plaatsvinden) ongeacht of dit nu voor de vijftiende levensjaar plaatsvindt. Andere tekenen van de volwassenheid zijn het ontwikkelen van schaamhaar en het bereiken van de vijftiende levensjaar (indien zich geen zichtbare tekenen hebben voorgedaan).

En Allah weet het beter.

16-04-2011, 17:15


en nog iets

nuttelozen vragen bestaan niet

liefs halima

16-04-2011, 17:18

Citaat door Lil_S:
Wa aleykoum salaam zuster. BarakAllahou feeki voor je reactie.

An adult and of sound mind? Maar wanneer is een jongen dan volwassen binnen de islaam?

En stel dat het geen kind is, maar ook niet echt een volwassene, maar dat je wel schaamte voor hem hebt, dus niet dat je onbeschaamd bent in zijn buurt.

Misschien stel ik nutteloze vragen, maar weet jij soms de antwoorden hierop?




Wa alikum assalam oeghty,

Ameen op he dua! Wa feeki! Graag gedaan meis!

Het zijn absoluut geen nutteloze vragen sis. Uit m`n hoofd gezegd wordt een kind als volwassene gezien vanaf de puberteit mits diegene ook over gezond verstand beschikt ma.w. z`n geestelijke vermogens dienen niks te mankeren. Wa Allahu ahlem. Ik zal kijken of ik er bronnen van kan vinden en deze plaats ik dan voor je.

16-04-2011, 17:37

Assalamu alikum oeghty,

Zie het onderstreepte ter beantwoording van je vragen. Ghair insha Allah!



Who is the guardian for marriage if there is no father?

I married a woman from an Islamic country, I divorced her twice. We had an ‘urfi marriage, customary marriage that is not lawfully registered. Her wali was a sheikh her father entrusted. Her father died some time ago, and all her brothers are younger than her. I do not know her wali. I want her to be my wife again, after two years apart as result of divorce. Does she have to have a wali for our marriage to take place, knowing that her father has passed away and all her brothers are younger than her? Is it correct Islamically if I marry her without wali attending, especially that she was my wife before?.


Praise be to Allaah.

If a man divorces his wife and the ‘iddah ends, then she is not permissible for him unless there is a new marriage contract, and the wali is one of the conditions of the marriage contract being valid, so marriage is not valid without a wali.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Mughni (7/5): Marriage is not valid without a wali, and a woman cannot do the marriage contract for herself or for anyone else, or appoint anyone other than her wali to do her marriage. If she does that, the marriage is not valid. End quote.

The evidence for that is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no marriage except with a wali.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (2085) and al-Tirmidhi (1101); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

As you divorced this woman two years ago, her ‘iddah is over, and after the ‘iddah ends, the ex-husband is a stranger to her like all other men. So she is not permissible to you except with a new marriage contract, and it essential that her wali do this marriage contract, or her wali appoint someone to do the marriage contract with her for you.

If there is no father, then the grandfather is the wali. If there is no grandfather then her brothers are her walis, and it is does not matter if they are younger than her, but it is essential that the wali be an adult. If one of her brothers is an adult then he is her wali, even if he is younger than her.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (18/147):

No one can act as a wali for a woman’s marriage contract except one who is an adult of sound mind. If there is no such person then the qaadi (judge) is the wali, because the ruler is the wali of the one who has no wali, and the qaadi is his deputy in such matters. Adulthood is achieved when a person emits maniy with desire, whether as the result of a wet dream or otherwise, or when hair grows around the private part, or when one reaches the age of fifteen. The one who is of sound mind is the one who handles matters well, by seeking a compatible suitor who is appropriate for the female under his care. End quote.

If all her brothers are minors, and none of them is an adult, then the role of wali passes to those who come next, namely the paternal uncles. If there are no paternal uncles then it passes to the sons of the paternal uncles (cousins).

If none of these walis are present, then the shar’i judge should act as wali for her marriage, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If they dispute, then the ruler is the guardian of the one who has no guardian.”

Narrated by Abu Dawood (2083) and al-Tirmidhi (1102); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Based on that, if you want to marry this woman and she does not have any wali, then you must refer to the shar’i qaadi in the court so that he may act as the wali for her marriage.

Note: You say that your first marriage was done without any official registration. Even though it is valid if it meets all the conditions – because it is not a condition of a marriage contract being valid that it be registered officially – we should point out that it is important to register marriages, and we advise people not to take this matter lightly, so as to protect people’s rights and so that foolish men and women will not toy with the matter of marriage contracts.


And Allaah knows best.

16-04-2011, 19:06

Citaat door Lil_S:
Salaam aleykoum, ik denk dat mijn vraag wel duidelijk is? Vanaf welke leeftijd kan iemand als mahram dienen bij een afspraak tussen man en vrouw met als doel huwelijk?

Wa salaam.

hij moet op leeftijd zijn dat men langs hem bedekt moet zijn ( wanneer die een natte droom heeft gehad). hiernaast moet hij ook kennis hebben over zijn positie als mahram en dus kennis hebben over de islam. hij moet ook goed van verstand zijn.