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06-04-2010, 22:42

Assalamoe alaikoem warahmatoeAllah wabarakatoehoe

Wie kan mij met dalil aantonen of de oom van mijn moeder mahram voor mij is.

En nu we toch bezig zijn.. hoe zit het met de schoonfamilie? Is de oom van je man mahram voor een vrouw?

Wasalaam Umm Sayff


06-04-2010, 22:56


Waar is iedereen................. ¿

06-04-2010, 23:05
Wa Aleikoem assalaam wa ra7matu Allaahi wa Barakatuhu

Volgens mij is het terugvinden in een van de lessen van Aboe Ismail over an Nikaah:

http://www.al-yaqeen.com/nieuw/mediatheek/rm.php?id=385

Fi AmaniLlaah,

07-04-2010, 06:59
Waqul lilmu/minati yaghdudna min absarihinna wayahfathna furjoojahunna wala yubdeena zeenatahunna lila ma thahara minha walyadribna bikhumurihinna AAala juyoobihinna wala yubdeena zeenatahunna illa libuAAoolatihinna aw aba-ihinna aw aba-i buAAoolatihinna aw abna-ihinna aw abna-i buAAoolatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw banee ikhawanihinna aw banee akhawatihinna aw nisa-ihinna aw ma malakat aymanuhunna awi alttabiAAeena ghayri olee al-irbati mina alrrijali awi alttifli Allatheena lam yathharoo AAala AAawrati alnnisa-i wala yadribna bi-ar julihinna ilyaAAlama ma yukhfeena min zeenatihinna watooboo ila Allahi jameeAAan ayyuha almu/minoona laAAallakum tuflihoona.

''En zeg tegen de gelovige vrouwen, dat zij hun ogen neerslaan en hun kuisheid bewaken, en hun sieraad niet tonen, behalve wat daarvan zichtbaar is. En zij moeten hun sluiers over hun boezems dragen en hun schoonheid niet openlijk tonen, behalve aan hun echtgenoten, of hun vader, of de vaders van hun echtgenoten, of hun zonen, of de zonen van hun echtgenoten, of hun broeders, of de zonen van hun broeders, of de zonen van hun zussen, of hun vrouwen, of slavinnen waar over zij beschikken, of mannelijke helpers die geen begeerte hebben, of de kinderen die nog niet op de 3wraat van de vrouw letten. En laten zij niet met hun voeten stampen om hun sieraden die zij verbergen te laten kennen. En keert jullie allen berouwvol tot Allah, O gelovigen. Hopelijk zullen jullie welslagen.’’ (Qur’aan 24/31)

07-04-2010, 13:01


@ Ammatoelaziz en Yeahyeah; Baraka Allah fiekoem, zal vanavond inshaaAllah bekijken

@ Yaboubiah; Na3am lakien zo makkelijk is het niet om daaruit precies te halen wat er wordt bedoeld. Jazaaki Allah ghairan

07-04-2010, 13:21

Wa feekie barak Allaah zuster.

07-04-2010, 13:22
Uncles of one’s parents are mahrams
Can a woman uncover in front of her father's mother's brother?.


Praise be to Allaah.

The brother of your grandmother on your father’s side is the maternal uncle of your father, and a man’s maternal uncle is regarded as a maternal uncle for all his descendants. Based on that, your father’s maternal uncle is a maternal uncle for you, so he is one of your mahrams and you do not have to observe hijab in front of him. Rather it is permissible for you to uncover in front of him that which is usually uncovered in front of mahrams.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

Note that a person’s maternal or paternal aunt is a maternal or paternal aunt for him and for all those who are descended from him. So your father’s paternal aunt is a paternal aunt for you, and your father’s maternal aunt is a maternal aunt for you; your mother’s paternal aunt is a paternal aunt for you and your mother’s maternal aunt is a maternal aunt for you. Similarly the paternal aunts of your grandfathers and grandmothers are paternal aunts for you, and the maternal aunts of your grandfathers and grandmothers are maternal aunts for you.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/131

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen was also asked:

Is it permissible for a woman to uncover in front of her mother’s paternal or maternal uncle, or her father’s paternal or maternal uncle – in other words are these persons counted as mahrams?

He replied: Yes, if a woman’s mother or father has a paternal uncle who is her father’s full brother or half brother through either his father or his mother, or she has a maternal uncle, then he is one of her mahrams, because your father’s paternal uncle is a paternal uncle for you, and your father’s maternal uncle is a maternal uncle for you. Similarly your mother’s paternal uncle or maternal uncle are uncles for you through ties of blood.

Al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah li’l-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/596

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

07-04-2010, 13:23
A woman’s maternal uncle is a mahram and it is permissible for him to be alone with her
What is the ruling on a wife’s maternal uncle visiting her when she is alone during the time her husband is working? This situation has come up more than once.


Praise be to Allaah.

The maternal uncle is a mahram for all the daughters and granddaughters of his sisters, because Allaah says in Soorat al-Nisa’, defining women who are forbidden in marriage:

“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

So there is nothing wrong with his visiting his sister’s daughter and being alone with her or travelling with her, so long as there are no reasons for suspicion, such as if he is an evildoer and cannot be trusted with his sister’s daughter. If there are any grounds for suspicion, then he is not allowed to be alone with or visit her when her husband is not present.

See also question no. 21953.

Some of the salaf – such as ‘Ikrimah and al-Sha’bi – were of the view that even though it is not permissible for a paternal uncle or a maternal uncle to marry their sister’s daughter or brother’s daughter, it is nevertheless not permissible for her to show her adornment in front of them, and she must observe hijab with them. They quoted two things as evidence for that:

1 – The maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse of Soorat al-Ahzaab which says that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment in front of her mahrams. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is no sin on them (the Prophet’s wives, if they appear unveiled) before their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brother’s sons, or the sons of their sisters, or their own (believing) women, or their (female) slaves. And (O ladies), fear (keep your duty to) Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Ever All‑Witness over everything”

[al-Ahzaab 33:55]

Here Allaah does not mention the paternal uncle or maternal uncle.

2 – They said: and because a maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to his sons.

But the majority of scholars are of the view that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are among the mahrams in front of whom it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment. In response to the comment that the maternal uncle and paternal uncle are not mentioned in the verse, they said:

They are not mentioned because their status is like that of the parents, hence Allaah calls the paternal uncle a father, in the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya’qoob (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, ‘What will you worship after me?’ They said, ‘We shall worship your Ilaah (God — Allaah) the Ilaah (God) of your fathers, Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), One Ilaah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)’”

[al-Baqarah 2:13]

Ismaa’eel was the paternal uncle of Ya’qoob (peace be upon them both)

2 – They are not mentioned because it is sufficient to mention the brother’s son and sister’s son, so it is more appropriate that this ruling should apply to the paternal uncle and maternal uncle.

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said (p. 788):

“It is no sin on them” means if they do not observe hijab in front of them. No mention is made here of paternal uncles and maternal uncles because if women do not have to observe hijab in front of those whose paternal and maternal aunts they are, the sons of their brothers and sisters, even though they (these women) are of a higher status than them, then it is more likely that they do not have to observe hijab in front of their paternal and maternal uncles. End quote.

With regard to the reason given, that the maternal uncle or paternal uncle may describe the woman to their sons, the majority of scholars responded to this by noting that this is a weak argument, because if this is accepted, it would imply that it is not permissible for a woman to uncover her adornment in front of any woman, because she may describe her to her sons!

One thing which indicates that the view of the majority – that it is permissible for a woman to show her adornment to her paternal and maternal uncles, and that it is permissible for them to enter upon her and be alone with her – is correct is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (4796) and Muslim (1445) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me after the (verse of) hijab had been revealed, and I said, I will not let him in until I ask the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for permission, because his brother Abu’l-Qu’ays is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me and I said to him: “O Messenger of Allaah, Aflah, the brother of Abu’l-Qu’aysh, asked for permission to enter upon me, but I refused to let him in until I asked your permission. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What kept you from letting him in? He is your paternal uncle!” I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, the man is not the one who breastfed me, rather the wife of Abu’l-Qu’ays breastfed me.” He said: “Let him in, for he is your paternal uncle, may your right hand be rubbed with dust.” So if a paternal uncle through breastfeeding is allowed to enter upon a woman and be alone with her, then it is more appropriate that a paternal uncle through blood ties be allowed to do so, and the same applies to the maternal uncle.

See Tafseer al-Qaasimi, 13/298

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

07-04-2010, 18:22
Baraka Allah fiekoem!

07-04-2010, 18:24

Citaat door IslaamFanaat:

Assalamoe alaikoem warahmatoeAllah wabarakatoehoe

Wie kan mij met dalil aantonen of de oom van mijn moeder mahram voor mij is.

En nu we toch bezig zijn.. hoe zit het met de schoonfamilie? Is de oom van je man mahram voor een vrouw?

Wasalaam Umm Sayff




Wa3aleikom Salaam wara7matolahi wabarakatoho,

SubhanaAllah, dat vroeg ik me laatst ook af. Weet je het antwoord al?

07-04-2010, 18:43

Citaat door IslaamFanaat:
Baraka Allah fiekoem!


ik ga navraag voor je doen

07-04-2010, 18:44
Hoe zit het nou met de oom van je man?? weet iemand dat,of heb ik het bewijs daarvoor over het hoofd gezien?

07-04-2010, 18:46



Citaat door yeahyeah:
ik ga navraag voor je doen


Jazaak Allah ghairan!

07-04-2010, 19:30

Citaat door IslaamFanaat:
@ Ammatoelaziz en Yeahyeah; Baraka Allah fiekoem, zal vanavond inshaaAllah bekijken

@ Yaboubiah; Na3am lakien zo makkelijk is het niet om daaruit precies te halen wat er wordt bedoeld. Jazaaki Allah ghairan


Djazaaki Allahou 5hairan fe dunya wa l akhirah. Oukhte fee deen, slechts de 'mahram' mag de vrouw enigszins onbedekt zien. Allahou 3lem. Ik zal voor een specifieke uitleg incha Allah navraag doen.

07-04-2010, 19:34
De mah’aariem van de vrouw zijn zij waar zij nooit mee mag trouwen, deze mah’ramieyyah (verbod) geschiedt door familiebanden of door het geven van borstvoeding of door een huwelijk.

''En huwt niet van de vrouwen die jullie vaders huwden, tenzij dat al gebeurd is (voor deze openbaring). Voorwaar, het was een zedeloosheid en toornafroepend (gedrag) en een slechte weg. (22) “Voor jullie verboden (om te trouwen zijn): jullie moeders en jullie dochter en jullie zusters, en jullie vaders zustersen jullie moeders zusters en dochters van jullie broeders en dochters van jullie zusters en de zoogmoeders van jullie en jullie zusters van (dezelfde) zoogmoeder en de moeders van jullie vrouwen en jullie stiefdochters die onder jullie voogdij staan van vrouwen (de moeders van de stiefdochters) waarmee jullie geslachtsgemeenschap hadden. Wanneer jullie nog geen geslachtsgemeenschap methen hadden is er geen overtreding (om hem hen te trouwen), en de (voormalige) vrouwen van jullie zonen die uit jullie voortkomen en het huwen van twee zusters gezamenlijk, behalve als het reeds (voor de openbaring) gebeurd is. Voorwaar, Allah is Vergevensgezind, Meest Barmhartig''. (23) (Soerat An-nisaa-e (4), aayah 22-23)

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