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15-07-2008, 22:34
Australian Muslims offer prayers for WYD


July 15, 2008 - 10:19AM


Muslims have extended prayers of peace and goodwill to Catholics for World Youth Day (WYD), welcoming the Pope and pilgrims to Sydney.

Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC) president Ikebal Patel said Muslims were praying for harmony between all Australian faiths.

"On this occasion of World Youth Day, I extend sincere greetings to the Catholic community of Australia on behalf of the Muslims of Australia," Mr Patel said in a statement.

"I take this opportunity on behalf of the Muslims of Australia to also extend our good wishes to all Australians of all faiths on this auspicious occasion of World Youth Day and pray for peace, harmony and goodwill among all Australians and peoples all over the world.

"We also take this occasion as Australian Muslims to welcome His Holiness Pope Benedict as well as all other pilgrims to Australia."

Mr Patel also said he was proud to be on the board of AFIC's Malek Fahd Islamic School in Sydney, which is hosting 350 pilgrims during the festivities.

"I am particularly proud that the Catholic Church has accepted our offer to host the pilgrims," said Mr Patel.

© 2008 AAP


http://news.smh.com.au/national/australian-muslims-offer-prayers-for-wyd-20080714-3f5v.html

15-07-2008, 22:48


Wat zijn dat nouw voor moslims toch Wrat?

15-07-2008, 22:49

Citaat door Slaz:
Wat zijn dat nouw voor moslims toch Wrat?




dat zijn goeie aardige moslims.. ik denk de ware

15-07-2008, 22:55

Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
dat zijn goeie aardige moslims.. ik denk de ware

Sunni (Zuivere Islam)moslims, zoals bijna elk goed opgevoede moslim hoort te zijn. Doen hun het dan zonder koran wrat? Die is toch zo gewelddadig?

15-07-2008, 22:56



Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
Australian Muslims offer prayers for WYD


July 15, 2008 - 10:19AM


Muslims have extended prayers of peace and goodwill to Catholics for World Youth Day (WYD), welcoming the Pope and pilgrims to Sydney.

Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (AFIC) president Ikebal Patel said Muslims were praying for harmony between all Australian faiths.

"On this occasion of World Youth Day, I extend sincere greetings to the Catholic community of Australia on behalf of the Muslims of Australia," Mr Patel said in a statement.

"I take this opportunity on behalf of the Muslims of Australia to also extend our good wishes to all Australians of all faiths on this auspicious occasion of World Youth Day and pray for peace, harmony and goodwill among all Australians and peoples all over the world.

"We also take this occasion as Australian Muslims to welcome His Holiness Pope Benedict as well as all other pilgrims to Australia."

Mr Patel also said he was proud to be on the board of AFIC's Malek Fahd Islamic School in Sydney, which is hosting 350 pilgrims during the festivities.

"I am particularly proud that the Catholic Church has accepted our offer to host the pilgrims," said Mr Patel.

© 2008 AAP


http://news.smh.com.au/national/australian-muslims-offer-prayers-for-wyd-20080714-3f5v.html


Goed en positief gebaar maar eigenlijk zou dit geen nieuws moeten zijn maar gewoon.

Maar goed, dingen kosten tijd en Deo volente - Incha Allah wordt dit in de toekomst niks byzonders

15-07-2008, 23:04

Citaat door Slaz:
Sunni (Zuivere Islam)moslims, zoals bijna elk goed opgevoede moslim hoort te zijn. Doen hun het dan zonder koran wrat? Die is toch zo gewelddadig?



nou en of, gelukkig laten die australische moslims hun hart spreken want


Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'ala zegt:

"En bestrijdt hen totdat er geen Fitnah [vervolging] is en de godsdienst geheel voor Allah wordt."

[Surrat Al-Anfaal; 39]


ja hoe ze dan gebeden voor katholieke bedevaartgangers daarin passen maar t blijven moslims naar mijn hart

15-07-2008, 23:30

Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
nou en of, gelukkig laten die australische moslims hun hart spreken want


Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'ala zegt:

"En bestrijdt hen totdat er geen Fitnah [vervolging] is en de godsdienst geheel voor Allah wordt."

[Surrat Al-Anfaal; 39]


ja hoe ze dan gebeden voor katholieke bedevaartgangers daarin passen maar t blijven moslims naar mijn hart


Met 'strijdt' wordt niet altijd fysieke strijdt bedoeld. Jihad betekend eigenlijk je inspannen voor iets, dat kan op meer manieren dan oorlog voeren. En wanneer het woord jihad gebruikt wordt, wordt daar in de meeste gevallen geen oorlog of fysiek geweld mee bedoeld.

16-07-2008, 00:00

Citaat door City_Sister:
Met 'strijdt' wordt niet altijd fysieke strijdt bedoeld. Jihad betekend eigenlijk je inspannen voor iets, dat kan op meer manieren dan oorlog voeren. En wanneer het woord jihad gebruikt wordt, wordt daar in de meeste gevallen geen oorlog of fysiek geweld mee bedoeld.



ik waardeer de moeite die je neemt en wijze waarop je antwoord. toevallig kwam er vandaag een rapport uit,... dat mij anders doet denken... massa's luisteren namelijk niet naar jouw wijze woorden maar naar de lui die hieronder beschreven worden,.. de nieuwste tekstboeken zijn weer waardeloos daar.

Today the Center for Religious Freedom of the Hudson Institute released a 90-page report
http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf),

2008 Update:

Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance, with a foreword by R. James Woolsey. It was prepared in consultation with the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs.


This report compares the 2007-2008 textbooks that are currently posted on the website of the Saudi Ministry of Education with those analyzed in our 2006 study, and shows that the same violent and intolerant teachings against other religious believers noted in 2006 remain in the current texts.

They assert that unbelievers, such as Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do not share Islam beliefs and practices, are hated "enemies." Global jihad as an "effort to wage war against the unbelievers" is also promoted in the Ministry's textbooks: "In its general usage, 'jihad' is divided into the following categories: ...Wrestling with the infidels by calling them to the faith and battling against them." No argument is made here that such references to jihad mean only spiritual and defensive struggles.
Lessons remain that Jews and Christians are apes and swine, Jews conspire to "gain sole control over the world," the Christian Crusades never ended, the American universities of Cairo and Beirut are part of the continuing Crusades, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are historical fact, and on Judgment Day "the rocks or the trees" will call out to Muslims to kill the Jews.
They teach that it is permissible for a Muslim to kill an "apostate," an "adulterer," and those practicing "major polytheism." Shiites are among those identified as "polytheists." One lesson states that "it is not permissible to violate the blood, property, or honor of the unbeliever who makes a compact with the Muslims," but is pointedly silent on whether security guarantees are extended to non-Muslims without such a compact. Other lessons demonize members of the Baha'i and Ahmadiyya groups.
A lesson from a tenth grade text now posted on the Saudi Ministry's website sanctions the killing of homosexuals and discusses methods for doing so.

In the lessons examined in this report, the Saudi government discounts or ignores passages in the Qur'an to support tolerance.
All of these textbooks have been reissued at least once and all but two of them reissued twice, yet overall the changes to the passages in question have been minimal, and the degree of substantive change has been negligible. Taken together, the report concludes, revisions in the currently-posted texts amount to moving around the furniture, not cleaning the house.

This analysis is issued as a deadline nears for the removal of intolerant teachings from all Saudi textbooks. This commitment stems from the Saudi government's "confirmation" of policies that resulted from extensive bilateral negotiations with the U.S., and which policies were publicly announced and lauded as "significant developments" by the State Department in July 2006. Whether Saudi Arabia's "comprehensive revision of textbooks" will be achieved by the start of the September 2008 school year remains to be seen. As the report documents, thorough textbook reform has not yet occurred.


Saudi King Abdullah is taking a leading role in interfaith dialogue initiatives, including convening a conference in Madrid later this week. The report notes that the Saudi Education Ministry's continued teaching of hatred and violence against other religious believers raises concerns about whether the Saudi government has a genuine desire to find common ground with other religions.

For the report http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf

along with English and original Arabic excerpts http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/Excerpts_from_Saudi_Textbooks_715.pdf go to: http://www.hudson.org/religion.

Hudson Institute is a non-partisan policy research organization dedicated to innovative research and analysis that promotes global security, prosperity, and freedom.
SOURCE Hudson Institute

16-07-2008, 02:31

Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
ik waardeer de moeite die je neemt en wijze waarop je antwoord. toevallig kwam er vandaag een rapport uit,... dat mij anders doet denken... massa's luisteren namelijk niet naar jouw wijze woorden maar naar de lui die hieronder beschreven worden,.. de nieuwste tekstboeken zijn weer waardeloos daar.

Today the Center for Religious Freedom of the Hudson Institute released a 90-page report
http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf),

2008 Update:

Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance, with a foreword by R. James Woolsey. It was prepared in consultation with the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs.


This report compares the 2007-2008 textbooks that are currently posted on the website of the Saudi Ministry of Education with those analyzed in our 2006 study, and shows that the same violent and intolerant teachings against other religious believers noted in 2006 remain in the current texts.

They assert that unbelievers, such as Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do not share Islam beliefs and practices, are hated "enemies." Global jihad as an "effort to wage war against the unbelievers" is also promoted in the Ministry's textbooks: "In its general usage, 'jihad' is divided into the following categories: ...Wrestling with the infidels by calling them to the faith and battling against them." No argument is made here that such references to jihad mean only spiritual and defensive struggles.
Lessons remain that Jews and Christians are apes and swine, Jews conspire to "gain sole control over the world," the Christian Crusades never ended, the American universities of Cairo and Beirut are part of the continuing Crusades, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are historical fact, and on Judgment Day "the rocks or the trees" will call out to Muslims to kill the Jews.
They teach that it is permissible for a Muslim to kill an "apostate," an "adulterer," and those practicing "major polytheism." Shiites are among those identified as "polytheists." One lesson states that "it is not permissible to violate the blood, property, or honor of the unbeliever who makes a compact with the Muslims," but is pointedly silent on whether security guarantees are extended to non-Muslims without such a compact. Other lessons demonize members of the Baha'i and Ahmadiyya groups.
A lesson from a tenth grade text now posted on the Saudi Ministry's website sanctions the killing of homosexuals and discusses methods for doing so.

In the lessons examined in this report, the Saudi government discounts or ignores passages in the Qur'an to support tolerance.
All of these textbooks have been reissued at least once and all but two of them reissued twice, yet overall the changes to the passages in question have been minimal, and the degree of substantive change has been negligible. Taken together, the report concludes, revisions in the currently-posted texts amount to moving around the furniture, not cleaning the house.

This analysis is issued as a deadline nears for the removal of intolerant teachings from all Saudi textbooks. This commitment stems from the Saudi government's "confirmation" of policies that resulted from extensive bilateral negotiations with the U.S., and which policies were publicly announced and lauded as "significant developments" by the State Department in July 2006. Whether Saudi Arabia's "comprehensive revision of textbooks" will be achieved by the start of the September 2008 school year remains to be seen. As the report documents, thorough textbook reform has not yet occurred.


Saudi King Abdullah is taking a leading role in interfaith dialogue initiatives, including convening a conference in Madrid later this week. The report notes that the Saudi Education Ministry's continued teaching of hatred and violence against other religious believers raises concerns about whether the Saudi government has a genuine desire to find common ground with other religions.

For the report http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf

along with English and original Arabic excerpts http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/Excerpts_from_Saudi_Textbooks_715.pdf go to: http://www.hudson.org/religion.

Hudson Institute is a non-partisan policy research organization dedicated to innovative research and analysis that promotes global security, prosperity, and freedom.
SOURCE Hudson Institute

De vijfde colonne, iets waar Theo van Gogh (R.I.P.) het ook altijd over had.

16-07-2008, 14:27
nou ze hoeven mij niets meer te vertellen ... ik heb zojuist de lesboeken van 2008 gedownload die door de regering van SA in eigen land en in al hun projecten overseas worden verspreid en onderwezen....


het is gewoon een haatdragend intolerant K'tgeloof

16-07-2008, 23:42

Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
ik waardeer de moeite die je neemt en wijze waarop je antwoord. toevallig kwam er vandaag een rapport uit,... dat mij anders doet denken... massa's luisteren namelijk niet naar jouw wijze woorden maar naar de lui die hieronder beschreven worden,.. de nieuwste tekstboeken zijn weer waardeloos daar.

Today the Center for Religious Freedom of the Hudson Institute released a 90-page report
http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf),

2008 Update:

Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance, with a foreword by R. James Woolsey. It was prepared in consultation with the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs.


This report compares the 2007-2008 textbooks that are currently posted on the website of the Saudi Ministry of Education with those analyzed in our 2006 study, and shows that the same violent and intolerant teachings against other religious believers noted in 2006 remain in the current texts.

They assert that unbelievers, such as Christians, Jews, and Muslims who do not share Islam beliefs and practices, are hated "enemies." Global jihad as an "effort to wage war against the unbelievers" is also promoted in the Ministry's textbooks: "In its general usage, 'jihad' is divided into the following categories: ...Wrestling with the infidels by calling them to the faith and battling against them." No argument is made here that such references to jihad mean only spiritual and defensive struggles.
Lessons remain that Jews and Christians are apes and swine, Jews conspire to "gain sole control over the world," the Christian Crusades never ended, the American universities of Cairo and Beirut are part of the continuing Crusades, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are historical fact, and on Judgment Day "the rocks or the trees" will call out to Muslims to kill the Jews.
They teach that it is permissible for a Muslim to kill an "apostate," an "adulterer," and those practicing "major polytheism." Shiites are among those identified as "polytheists." One lesson states that "it is not permissible to violate the blood, property, or honor of the unbeliever who makes a compact with the Muslims," but is pointedly silent on whether security guarantees are extended to non-Muslims without such a compact. Other lessons demonize members of the Baha'i and Ahmadiyya groups.
A lesson from a tenth grade text now posted on the Saudi Ministry's website sanctions the killing of homosexuals and discusses methods for doing so.

In the lessons examined in this report, the Saudi government discounts or ignores passages in the Qur'an to support tolerance.
All of these textbooks have been reissued at least once and all but two of them reissued twice, yet overall the changes to the passages in question have been minimal, and the degree of substantive change has been negligible. Taken together, the report concludes, revisions in the currently-posted texts amount to moving around the furniture, not cleaning the house.

This analysis is issued as a deadline nears for the removal of intolerant teachings from all Saudi textbooks. This commitment stems from the Saudi government's "confirmation" of policies that resulted from extensive bilateral negotiations with the U.S., and which policies were publicly announced and lauded as "significant developments" by the State Department in July 2006. Whether Saudi Arabia's "comprehensive revision of textbooks" will be achieved by the start of the September 2008 school year remains to be seen. As the report documents, thorough textbook reform has not yet occurred.


Saudi King Abdullah is taking a leading role in interfaith dialogue initiatives, including convening a conference in Madrid later this week. The report notes that the Saudi Education Ministry's continued teaching of hatred and violence against other religious believers raises concerns about whether the Saudi government has a genuine desire to find common ground with other religions.

For the report http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/textbooks_final_for_pdf.pdf

along with English and original Arabic excerpts http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/Excerpts_from_Saudi_Textbooks_715.pdf go to: http://www.hudson.org/religion.

Hudson Institute is a non-partisan policy research organization dedicated to innovative research and analysis that promotes global security, prosperity, and freedom.
SOURCE Hudson Institute




vreselijk die lesboeken van Saudi Arabie waarmee ze hun eigen land en de rest van de wereld bevuilen

heel triest om te lezen die pdf file in arabisch/engels

17-07-2008, 10:08

Citaat door wrattenzwijn:
nou ze hoeven mij niets meer te vertellen ... ik heb zojuist de lesboeken van 2008 gedownload die door de regering van SA in eigen land en in al hun projecten overseas worden verspreid en onderwezen....


het is gewoon een haatdragend intolerant K'tgeloof


Vergeet niet dat SA Wahabies zijn. Dit is niet voor niks een aparte stroming in de Islaam (het Wahabisme), die nogal ver af staat van de mainstream. Alleen krijgt deze uitleg van de Qur'an 90% van de aandacht terwijl 10% van de Moslims het aanhangen....

17-07-2008, 10:13


Zo'n wereldjeugddag krijgt toch een rare connotatie met al die pedopriesters van de laatste tijd.

17-07-2008, 17:10

Citaat door led_zeppelin:
Zo'n wereldjeugddag krijgt toch een rare connotatie met al die pedopriesters van de laatste tijd.



pedopriesters gaan ook wel eens op vakantie ...
had je al getekend?

http://forums.marokko.nl/showthread.php?t=2052352

17-07-2008, 22:52

Citaat door City_Sister:
Vergeet niet dat SA Wahabies zijn. Dit is niet voor niks een aparte stroming in de Islaam (het Wahabisme), die nogal ver af staat van de mainstream. Alleen krijgt deze uitleg van de Qur'an 90% van de aandacht terwijl 10% van de Moslims het aanhangen....



waar denk jij dat islamexpansie door betaald wordt? de laatste 3 decennia breiden de saoudi's hun invloed uit door lokaties en lesmateriaal te financieren voor de moslims in 'den vreemde'