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21-05-2008, 22:59
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.Assalaamoe 3alaikoem wara7matullah,

Wie kan hier uitspraken van geleerden plaatsen over kickboxen (het beoefenen ervan en het trainen)?

Misschien klinkt het verzoek erg vreemd, maar ik ben serieus. Ik zit namelijk al een tijdje met deze vraag en heb niet veel hierover kunnen vinden.

Bijvoorbaat dank.

Wassalaamoe 3alaikoem wara7matullah.

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21-05-2008, 23:14


[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT="Garamond"][SIZE="3"]Ik reken op hulp insha'Allah..

21-05-2008, 23:15
Apart, maar toch UP!

21-05-2008, 23:17
Allahu a3lam. Weet wel Dat Je niet op het gezicht mag slaan.

Vindt het verder een Afschuwelijke sport: )

Ben beniewd.

21-05-2008, 23:23


Hier gaat het alleen om boksen, maarja kickboksen gaat nog iets verder dan boksen.



Citaat:
Ruling on Boxing

My local mosque is thinking about setting up boxing classes. I wanted to know whether this is permissibile. The reason being that is there not a hadith of the Prophet (SAW) where he sees two men wrestling/ sparring and he tells them to avoid the face for we have been created in the likeness of Adam (AS)? According to this, is it mub'ah to practice boxing with another brother and hit one another in the face?


Praise be to Allaah.

The Islamic sharee’ah permits all things that are beneficial to the body and do not harm it, and it forbids all things that may cause damage or harm to the body. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Your body has rights over you.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Kitaab al-Sawm, 1839)

If sports are free from things which are forbidden in sharee’ah, then practising those sports is beneficial. Boxing is an ancient sport that was practised by the Greeks.

Boxing is the worst kind of sport, and probably it does not even deserve to be called a sport, despite the fact that western nations, in particular – where boxing is widespread at a professional level – call it “the noble sport” and a form of self-defence. They forget, or overlook, the fact that the main aim of boxing is to harm one's opponent and throw him to the ground, preferably with the “decisive blow” (or “knock-out&#8221, as they call it, which is the highest level of victory in boxing.

“Many voices have been raised in the parliaments of many countries demanding a ban on professional boxing, in view of the harm that has been caused to many boxers. Sweden has succeeded in imposing such a ban, whilst many other nations have failed to do so, despite the many injuries, and even deaths, caused to many professional boxers as a direct result of this violent sport.

The fact of the matter is that the deaths of so many boxers is the reason for many voices calling for an end to this sport, or at least the imposition of strict rules to limit its violence.” (From Huna London magazine, issue # 413, March 1983).

Dr. Roger Whirty, the spokesman of the British Medical Council in Wales, spoke of the aims of the Council’s campaign against boxing: “We want to show everyone that boxing is an extremely dangerous sport, not only because of the increasing number of fatalities, but also because of the disabilities which affect many more times that number. In order to achieve that, we are trying to put pressure on various official bodies to condemn this sport, and not to consider it to be a sport at all. I reiterate once again that the danger of this sport lies in the harm caused to hundreds of boxers as a result of the disabilities that they suffer.

The number of boxers who have died as a result of injuries sustained in boxing between 1945 and 1983 is three hundred and fifty.” (From Huna London magazine, issue # 413, March 1983).

The Islamic attitude towards this sport:

The principles of Islam are completely opposed to the idea of the ummah accepting this dangerous deviation as a moral or intellectual trend which would permit such violent fights between members of the ummah or of the human race as a whole.

Among these principles we may list the following:

1. Harm. We have already mentioned the harm and danger to human life involved in this sport, and the testimony of western specialists who are motivated by their humanitarian feelings to fight and strive to eliminate boxing from the international sporting lexicon.

2. Violating the sanctity of the face. Boxing is based on allowing punches to the face of one's opponent using the maximum force that one possesses. Blows to the face earn more points than blows to any other part of the body. This clearly goes against the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as narrated by Abu Hurayrah: “When any one of you fights, let him avoid (striking) the face.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 5/215).

Al-Haafiz said: “This prohibition also includes all those who are struck for the purpose of hadd or ta’zeer punishments or discipline. According to the hadeeth narrated by Abu Bakrah and others, which was recorded by Abu Dawood and others, about the woman who had committed adultery, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded that she should be stoned to death, and said, ‘Stone her, but avoid the face.’ (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4/152). If that is the command in the case of one who is being punished and is going to die anyway, then the rule is even more applicable in cases of lesser severity.” See al-Fath, 5/216

Al-Nawawi said: “The scholars said: it is forbidden to strike the face because it is soft and all of a person's beauty and most of his senses are located there. If the face is hit, there is the fear that all or some of them may be destroyed or disfigured. Any defect in the face is a terrible thing because it is so prominent and obvious, and usually the person who is hit in the face will not be spared some disfigurement.” (al-Fath, 5/216).

In al-Fath, he says concerning the specific prohibition narrated in the hadeeth:

“Al-Nawawi did not discuss the details of this prohibition. It is clear that it is haraam, and this is supported by the hadeeth of Suwayd ibn Maqran al-Sahaabi, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw a man slap a slave (or a boy) in the face, and he said, “Do you not know that the face is inviolate?” (Muslim, 3/1280.



Qadaaya al-Lahw wa’l-Tarfeeh, p. 37

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/10427/boxing

21-05-2008, 23:38

Citaat door GeenLeven:
Hier gaat het alleen om boksen, maarja kickboksen gaat nog iets verder dan boksen.


Baraka Allahoe fiek broeder..

Wat betreft in het gezicht slaan, dat is duidelijk al7amdoelillah en verder is het artikel duidelijk onderbouwd.. je kan het beste dus geen wedstrijden spelen.. alleen nu nog de vraag of alleen het trainen wel is toegestaan..

21-05-2008, 23:46
Na zo een training heb je al gauw De neiging om een Wedstrijd aan te gaan: P

21-05-2008, 23:52

Citaat door oemaya:
Na zo een training heb je al gauw De neiging om een Wedstrijd aan te gaan: P
Dat klopt inderdaad.. alleen als je zelf bewust bent van het feit dat het een sport is, waarmee je je tegenstander kan beschadigen, zie je daar vanuit het principe van de islam van af.

Ik vind het toch een moeilijke kwestie.. maar al7amdoelillah er zijn wel wat dingen verhelderd.

21-05-2008, 23:55
Wa Allaahu Ta'aalah a'lem, is trainen ervan toegestaan.

De moskee in Breda ash-shabaab, geeft les in het beoefenen van deze sport met broeders onderling. Door een ervaren prof kickboxer die nu niet meer vecht. Deze broeder heeft ook eigen kickbox training gym enzovoorts ..

Het gezicht slaan is duidelijk broeder,

verder de kleding, 'awrah bedekkend enzovoorts..

Het beoefenen van een sport wordt aangeraden ..

wassalaam moealaikom warahmatu Allaah

21-05-2008, 23:59
Wa aleikoum salaam wa rahmatullah wa baraktu,
ik weet niet of je hier wat aan hebt, maar anyway kijk maar


Citaat:

Fatwa No. : 82646
Fatwa Title : Ruling on martial arts
Fatwa Date : 03 Thul-Hijjah 1421 / 27-02-2001
Question

What is the status of practising Martial Arts like Boxing, and all the sports of aggression?

Fatwa


Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.
Boxing is an ancient sport that involves corporal combat between two players with bare hands and during a given number of rounds. Then this sport developed and now the two players wear gloves specially made for this purpose. The objective of each of the players is to beat his opponent and knock him out. This dangerous game has bad effects mainly on the face and head. It can leave the face with permanent deformation. So, there are voices everywhere in the world calling for the elimination of this monstrous game. The Islamic fundamentals forbid this kind of ugly and dishonorable game. Boxing includes hitting the opponent in the face with the fist as hard as possible. A fist in the face is even considered as a good point. Such a practice is against the Islamic teachings. The Prophet said: "When you fight anyone avoid his face". [Reported by Imam Al Bukhari].
It is also narrated that the Prophet ordered his companions not to hit the woman who committed adultery in her face. He said: "Throw (the stones) but avoid the face". (Abu Dawood). If this is the rule about a person who is condemned to death, any other person is more entitled to have his face respected. Disfigurement of the face is an ugly feature of this sport. But it is not the only problem with boxing. Boxing attracts millions of people wasting their precious time in nonsense. It is also a means of eating people's money without legal right. Add to this that it causes disputes between people. So, it is undoubtedly forbidden and so is any similar game.
The above mentioned rule is for the one who learns boxing or those martial arts to show-off to earn money or to harm others without any legal reason. But the one who learns them to defend himself or his right or to prove the power of Muslims then learning them is permissible for him or even desirable depending on his intention.
Allah knows best.



21-05-2008, 23:59
Dit heb ik kunnen vinden op islamqa.com onder andere ..


Citaat:
Ruling on doing martial arts which involve bowing and shirk
I am in a Kung fu school, and I have been training with the same teacher for over 4 years. I am now a close student to the teacher which means he teaches me more of the style and chinese medicine. In my position I must help the school grow by trying to get more people at the school. My intention is to get the people in the school so they can learn self defense. The problem is that in this school there are two types of (major)shirk that go on regularly, but the teacher does not force the student to perform these things if he doesn't want to. Is it haram that I bring people to the school knowing they might engage in these activities. What about children?.


Praise be to Allaah.

Practising sports of various kinds that do not go against the rulings of sharee’ah and that fulfil the aim of worshipping Allaah is one of the things that are encouraged by Islam, so as to attain physical strength and mental health. The evidence of the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicates that this is allowed in sharee’ah and is in fact encouraged.

But in some cases these sports may be haraam, not in and of themselves, but because they include some haraam things. This applies to what you have mentioned in your question.

An example of the haraam things that may happen is bowing to someone other than Allaah. It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, when one of us meets his friend, can he bow to him?’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘Can he hug him and kiss him?’ He said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘Can he shake hands with him?’ He said, ‘Yes, if he wishes.’” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2728; he said it is a hasan hadeeth. Also narrated by Ibn Maajah. 3702. The hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 160).

Ibn Taymiyah said: “With regard to bowing in greeting, this is forbidden as narrated in al-Tirmidhi from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), that they asked him about a man who meets his brother and bows to him, and he said no to that. That is because it is not permitted to bow or prostrate for anyone except Allaah.” (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 1/377).

If you know that the person whom you invite to join will do something haraam or something that is a kind of shirk, then you should not do that, whether the one whom you invite is a child or an adult, because that is a kind of cooperating in sin, and Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Help you one another in Al‑Birr and At‑Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression”

[al-Maa'idah 5:2]

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.


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22-05-2008, 00:11
Baraka Allahoe fiekoem.. dat van het begroeten en kleding heb ik er ook uit kunnen halen.. en wat betreft het trainen met een bepaalde intentie is ook enigszins duidelijker geworden..