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31-05-2007, 11:14
Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto


Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Thursday January 12, 2006
The Guardian


Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.
The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

The manifesto makes no mention of the destruction of the Jewish state and instead takes a more ambiguous position by saying that Hamas had decided to compete in the elections because it would contribute to "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem".

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

The group is expected to emerge as the second largest party after Mr Abbas's Fatah in the next Palestinian parliament. Opinion polls give it more than a third of the popular vote, built on a campaign against Fatah's endemic corruption and mismanagement and failure to contain growing criminality, and by claiming credit for driving the Israeli army and settlers out of Gaza.

But the manifesto continues to emphasise the armed struggle. "Our nation is at a stage of national liberation, and it has the right to act to regain its rights and end the occupation by using all means, including armed resistance," it says.

Gazi Hamad, a Hamas candidate in the Gaza Strip, yesterday said the manifesto reflected the group's position of accepting an interim state based on 1967 borders but leaving a final decision on whether to recognise Israel to future generations.

"Hamas is talking about the end of the occupation as the basis for a state, but at the same time Hamas is still not ready to recognise the right of Israel to exist," he said. "We cannot give up the right of the armed struggle because our territory is occupied in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is the territory we are fighting to liberate."

But Mr Hamad said the armed resistance was no longer Hamas's primary strategy. "The policy is to maintain the armed struggle but it is not our first priority. We know that first of all we have to put more effort into resolving the internal problems, dealing with corruption, blackmail, chaos. This is our priority because if we change the situation for the Palestinians it will make our cause stronger.

"Hamas is looking to establish a new political strategy in which all Palestinian groups will participate, not just dominated by Fatah. We will discuss the negotiation strategy, how can we run the conflict with Israel but by different means."

Ghassan Khatib, a Palestinian cabinet minister and member of the secular Palestinian People's party, said he believed Hamas was being forced to face reality as it prepared to sit in parliament, and that it would have to embrace a negotiated settlement with Israel: "Having Hamas inside the system is a positive development whereby they have to abide by the rules of the majority and respect the arguments of the administration they are part of, which includes a state built on 1967 borders. It will take time but Hamas will no longer have their own militia. It will be solely a political force."

But Israel's security establishment predicts that if Hamas does as well as expected in the election it will damage the Palestinian Authority and further undermine the prospects for an agreement.

31-05-2007, 11:24


Laat hamas gelijk palestina aan israel geven..

31-05-2007, 11:46

Citaat:
Thursday January 12, 2006
Wel frappant dat Israel nog steeds verwijst naar dat stuk in het handvest wat de vernietiging van de Joodse staat voorschrijft en verplicht, als zij weer eens buitensporig geweld in Gaza en op de West Bank unleashen.

31-05-2007, 11:52

Citaat door palestijntje:
Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto


Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Thursday January 12, 2006
The Guardian


Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.
The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

The manifesto makes no mention of the destruction of the Jewish state and instead takes a more ambiguous position by saying that Hamas had decided to compete in the elections because it would contribute to "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem".

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

The group is expected to emerge as the second largest party after Mr Abbas's Fatah in the next Palestinian parliament. Opinion polls give it more than a third of the popular vote, built on a campaign against Fatah's endemic corruption and mismanagement and failure to contain growing criminality, and by claiming credit for driving the Israeli army and settlers out of Gaza.

But the manifesto continues to emphasise the armed struggle. "Our nation is at a stage of national liberation, and it has the right to act to regain its rights and end the occupation by using all means, including armed resistance," it says.

Gazi Hamad, a Hamas candidate in the Gaza Strip, yesterday said the manifesto reflected the group's position of accepting an interim state based on 1967 borders but leaving a final decision on whether to recognise Israel to future generations.

"Hamas is talking about the end of the occupation as the basis for a state, but at the same time Hamas is still not ready to recognise the right of Israel to exist," he said. "We cannot give up the right of the armed struggle because our territory is occupied in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is the territory we are fighting to liberate."

But Mr Hamad said the armed resistance was no longer Hamas's primary strategy. "The policy is to maintain the armed struggle but it is not our first priority. We know that first of all we have to put more effort into resolving the internal problems, dealing with corruption, blackmail, chaos. This is our priority because if we change the situation for the Palestinians it will make our cause stronger.

"Hamas is looking to establish a new political strategy in which all Palestinian groups will participate, not just dominated by Fatah. We will discuss the negotiation strategy, how can we run the conflict with Israel but by different means."

Ghassan Khatib, a Palestinian cabinet minister and member of the secular Palestinian People's party, said he believed Hamas was being forced to face reality as it prepared to sit in parliament, and that it would have to embrace a negotiated settlement with Israel: "Having Hamas inside the system is a positive development whereby they have to abide by the rules of the majority and respect the arguments of the administration they are part of, which includes a state built on 1967 borders. It will take time but Hamas will no longer have their own militia. It will be solely a political force."

But Israel's security establishment predicts that if Hamas does as well as expected in the election it will damage the Palestinian Authority and further undermine the prospects for an agreement.


Zo zie je maar, moslims kunnen ook realistisch en pragmatisch zijn. Zelfs radicale moslims !

En nu Israel !

31-05-2007, 11:58


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

31-05-2007, 12:10
Thursday January 12, 2006

31-05-2007, 12:33
De radicale Palestijnse groepering Hamas laat ondanks een mogelijke coalitie met de meer gematigde Fatah-groepering, haar oude ideaal van de vernietiging van de staat Israël niet varen. Hamas reageerde maandag gepikeerd op een beschuldiging.

De tweede man van terroristennetwerk al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, beweerde dat Hamas zich zou schikken naar Amerikaanse wensen door de vredesverdragen met Israël te erkennen. In een verklaring liet Hamas maandag weten "onze beloftes na te komen die wij aan god hebben gedaan om de weg van de jihad en verzet te blijven volgen tot de bevrijding van Palestina, geheel Palestina".

De beweging reageert ook op de beschuldiging van al-Zawahiri als zou Hamas de traditionele zelfmoordaanslagen hebben afgezworen in ruil voor politiek gewin. De groep meldde maandag dat "Hamas een beweging van verzet en martelaren blijft".

Bovenstaand artikel is overgenomen uit de Spits van 12 maart 2007.

31-05-2007, 13:15
De door Hamas nu gekozen benadering noemen ze toch Hudna? Het tijdelijk sluiten van een bestand om, op het moment dat jezelf sterk genoeg bent, het bestand te verbreken. Een eeuwenoude methode die ook door Mohammed werd toegepast.

31-05-2007, 14:50

Citaat door Immanuel:
De door Hamas nu gekozen benadering noemen ze toch Hudna? Het tijdelijk sluiten van een bestand om, op het moment dat jezelf sterk genoeg bent, het bestand te verbreken. Een eeuwenoude methode die ook door Mohammed werd toegepast.



Sommigen hebben echt de absolute overtuiging dat er geen vrede met moslims kan bestaan.

Denk jij ook zo ? Vind jij dat iedere vredesregeling met moslims slechts tijdelijk is en dat zij altijd de vrede zullen benutten om zich te bewapenen ?

Het is mij in ieder geval te pessimistisch.

31-05-2007, 15:03
Als dit waar is dan betekent dat het de begin van de ondergang voor Hamas...

Jammer voor alle moejahedien die zijn omgekomen..

Waar arafat jarenlang overdeed ( de erkenning van de zionistische entiteit) doet Hamas nu in een aantal maanden..

31-05-2007, 16:09

Citaat door Zarqawi anna:
Als dit waar is dan betekent dat het de begin van de ondergang voor Hamas...

Jammer voor alle moejahedien die zijn omgekomen..

Waar arafat jarenlang overdeed ( de erkenning van de zionistische entiteit) doet Hamas nu in een aantal maanden..



Emigranten zijn vaak extremer dan de achterblijvers die mee-ontwikkelen met de situatie in het thuisland.

Dit geldt ook voor emigranten uit Zarqa.

31-05-2007, 16:46

Citaat door palestijntje:
Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto


Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Thursday January 12, 2006
The Guardian


Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.
The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

The manifesto makes no mention of the destruction of the Jewish state and instead takes a more ambiguous position by saying that Hamas had decided to compete in the elections because it would contribute to "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem".

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

The group is expected to emerge as the second largest party after Mr Abbas's Fatah in the next Palestinian parliament. Opinion polls give it more than a third of the popular vote, built on a campaign against Fatah's endemic corruption and mismanagement and failure to contain growing criminality, and by claiming credit for driving the Israeli army and settlers out of Gaza.

But the manifesto continues to emphasise the armed struggle. "Our nation is at a stage of national liberation, and it has the right to act to regain its rights and end the occupation by using all means, including armed resistance," it says.

Gazi Hamad, a Hamas candidate in the Gaza Strip, yesterday said the manifesto reflected the group's position of accepting an interim state based on 1967 borders but leaving a final decision on whether to recognise Israel to future generations.

"Hamas is talking about the end of the occupation as the basis for a state, but at the same time Hamas is still not ready to recognise the right of Israel to exist," he said. "We cannot give up the right of the armed struggle because our territory is occupied in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is the territory we are fighting to liberate."

But Mr Hamad said the armed resistance was no longer Hamas's primary strategy. "The policy is to maintain the armed struggle but it is not our first priority. We know that first of all we have to put more effort into resolving the internal problems, dealing with corruption, blackmail, chaos. This is our priority because if we change the situation for the Palestinians it will make our cause stronger.

"Hamas is looking to establish a new political strategy in which all Palestinian groups will participate, not just dominated by Fatah. We will discuss the negotiation strategy, how can we run the conflict with Israel but by different means."

Ghassan Khatib, a Palestinian cabinet minister and member of the secular Palestinian People's party, said he believed Hamas was being forced to face reality as it prepared to sit in parliament, and that it would have to embrace a negotiated settlement with Israel: "Having Hamas inside the system is a positive development whereby they have to abide by the rules of the majority and respect the arguments of the administration they are part of, which includes a state built on 1967 borders. It will take time but Hamas will no longer have their own militia. It will be solely a political force."

But Israel's security establishment predicts that if Hamas does as well as expected in the election it will damage the Palestinian Authority and further undermine the prospects for an agreement.


Dat is goed nieuws, blijkbaar werkt het wel, Hamas onder druk zetten.

31-05-2007, 17:58



Citaat door oeps:
Sommigen hebben echt de absolute overtuiging dat er geen vrede met moslims kan bestaan.

Denk jij ook zo ? Vind jij dat iedere vredesregeling met moslims slechts tijdelijk is en dat zij altijd de vrede zullen benutten om zich te bewapenen ?

Het is mij in ieder geval te pessimistisch.
Ik heb het niet over moslims in algemene zin. Ik heb het over Hamas. Die vertegenwoordigen volgens mij een deel van de Palestijnen en (gelukkig) niet de meerderheid van alle moslims over de hele wereld.

31-05-2007, 18:05

Citaat door Froot:
Dat is goed nieuws, blijkbaar werkt het wel, Hamas onder druk zetten.


Het zou ook zo kunnen zijn dat de Hamas-leiding slim genoeg is om realistische doelen te stellen.

01-06-2007, 09:42

Citaat door oeps:
Het zou ook zo kunnen zijn dat de Hamas-leiding slim genoeg is om realistische doelen te stellen.



Als ze een incentive krijgen kan men inderdaad slim genoeg zijn ja. Hamas is uit op macht, en haar starre houding heeft hen alleen maar problemen gebracht sinds de verkiezingen.

Fatah zit hen in de nek,
Europese steun is ingetrokken,
Israel wil niet aanvallen, zelfs niet na het droppen van een paar dozijn raketten
De steun onder het volk is tanende.

Hamas heeft blijkbaar in de gaten gekregen dat dit hun machtsbasis verstoord en dan moet je de doelen bijstellen.

Wat froot wel slim vind is dat Hamas wel heel snel een dergelijke omslag kan maken, dat betekend dat het orginisatorisch daar wel snor zit.

Als het waar is tenminste

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