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17-04-2007, 13:19
mag ik dan wel of niet met hem trouwen ik wil alleen reactie van mensen die hier echt van af wetten bedankt

17-04-2007, 13:33


Volgens mij niet omdat het dan net als je broer is maar helaas heb ik hier geen daliel van.

Gair inchallah,

Ouasima

17-04-2007, 13:40

Citaat door tazatiziwaslie:
mag ik dan wel of niet met hem trouwen ik wil alleen reactie van mensen die hier echt van af wetten bedankt



wa salaam je mag niet trouwen met je naaste verwanten, dus je broer,zus, moeder vader etc,
maar daar valt ook onder de persoon die zuigling was van je moeder
het is net als je broer, zus

als je bijv met je neef nicht gaat trouwen dan is het zoo dat ze daar gaan vragen of deze persoon ooit melk van je ma heeeft gekren, zo ja dan geve ze negatief advies omdat het dan haram is.

su6

17-04-2007, 13:51

Citaat door tazatiziwaslie:
mag ik dan wel of niet met hem trouwen ik wil alleen reactie van mensen die hier echt van af wetten bedankt



Hij is pas je zoogbroer als hij 5x (dus de tepel losgelaten heeft en weer gepakt heeft) en als hij onder de 2 jaar was.

17-04-2007, 14:03



Citaat door Meerne:
Hij is pas je zoogbroer als hij 5x (dus de tepel losgelaten heeft en weer gepakt heeft) en als hij onder de 2 jaar was.

dus hoe ik jouw begrijp mag ik wel met hem trouwen hij heeft maar 3keer de borst gehad wegens dat zijn moeder ziek was

en meer niet denk ik

17-04-2007, 14:19

Citaat door tazatiziwaslie:
dus hoe ik jouw begrijp mag ik wel met hem trouwen hij heeft maar 3keer de borst gehad wegens dat zijn moeder ziek was

en meer niet denk ik



Ja.

W8 ff dan zoek ik wat fatawa voor je over dit onderwerp.

17-04-2007, 14:56
Question:
I hope that you can explain the ruling on breastfeeding (radaa’ah) in full, for example, I breastfed my brother-in-law’s son for a month, and my son was breastfed by my brother-in-law’s wife. I have a daughter and a son who are older than the child who was breastfed by my brother-in-law’s wife, and she also had two children before the child of hers whom I breastfed.
I hope that you can describe the kind of breastfeeding that makes the child a mahram and the rulings that apply to the rest of the siblings? Thank you very much.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Whoever is breastfed by a woman five times, before the age of two years, becomes her child through breastfeeding and she becomes his mother. Her husband (the “owner of the milk&#8221 becomes a father to him through breastfeeding, and everyone who was also breastfed by this woman becomes his brother or sister through breastfeeding, and so on.

That is because of the report narrated by Muslim (1425) from ‘Aa’ishah who said: “When the Qur’aan was first revealed, the number of breast-feedings that would make a child a relative (mahram) was ten, then this was abrogated and replaced with the number of five which is well-known.”

And al-Tirmidhi narrated that Umm Salamah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The only breastfeeding that creates the relationship of mahram is that which fills the stomach from the breast, before weaning.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’, 2150.

What is meant by “from the breast” means at the time of breastfeeding. The Arabs say “Maata fulaan fi’l-thadiy (So and so died at the time of breastfeeding, i.e, in infancy, before weaning).” This is the view of al-Shawkaani.

Al-Tirmidhi said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth, and the view followed by the majority of scholars among the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and others is that breastfeeding does not make a child a mahram unless it is done before the child reaches the age of two. Any breastfeeding that occurs after the age of two does not make the child a mahram.”

Al-Bukhaari (2645) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the daughter of Hamzah: “She is not permissible for me (to marry), because what becomes mahram (forbidden for marriage) through breastfeeding is that which become mahram through blood ties. And she is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding”

The definition of breastfeeding:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

One breastfeeding (rad’ah) means when the child takes the beast and starts suckling, and then lets it go without being made to do so. That is one breastfeeding, because the Lawgiver referred to one breastfeeding in general terms, so it is to be interpreted according to custom, and this is the custom. If the child stops briefly in order to breathe or to rest or because of some distraction, then quickly goes back to the breast, this is regarded as one breastfeeding, just as when a person who is eating pauses briefly then quickly goes back to eating, this is not regarded as two meals, rather it is one. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i. And if the infant moves from one breast to the other, this is one breastfeeding. See also question no. 2864

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

If a woman breastfeeds a child for five well known breastfeedings or more during the first two years, the infant becomes a child for her and her husband who is the owner of the milk, and all that woman’s children from the husband who is the owner of the milk or from other husbands become siblings of this infant, and the children of the man who is the owner of the milk, whether from the breastfeeding woman or from other wives, become siblings of the infant. Her brothers become maternal aunts for him, and the brothers of the husband, the owner of the milk, become paternal uncles for him, and the father of the woman becomes a grandfather for the child and the father of the husband, the owner of the milk, becomes a grandfather to him and the husband’s mother becomes a grandmother to him, because Allaah says concerning female mahrams in Soorat al-Nisa’ (interpretation of the meaning):

“your foster mothers who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What becomes mahram (forbidden for marriage) through breastfeeding is that which become mahram through blood ties.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no breastfeeding except during the first two years.” And it was proven in Saheeh Muslim that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “When the Qur’an was first revealed, the number of breast-feedings that would make a child a relative (mahram) was ten, then this was abrogated and replaced with the number of five which is well-known. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed away when that was the state of affairs.” This version was narrated by al-Tirmidhi but it is also found in Saheeh Muslim.

From Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/333

In conclusion:

If your son was breastfed five times in the first two years by your brother-in-law’s wife, then he is a brother to all of her sons and daughters.

Similarly the son of this woman who was breastfed by you, becomes a son to you and a brother to all your sons and daughters, whether they are older or younger than the one who was breastfed, whether they were already present or have not been born yet.

Your sons – apart from the son who was breastfed by the wife of his paternal uncle – may marry the daughters of their paternal uncle, because they are not mahrams to one another. And your daughters may marry the sons of their paternal uncle except the son who was breastfed by you, because he is a brother to them, as explained above.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

17-04-2007, 15:46
heb je een vertaling in het nl want ik ken geen engels alvast bedankt

17-04-2007, 15:50

Citaat door Meerne:
Question:
I hope that you can explain the ruling on breastfeeding (radaa’ah) in full, for example, I breastfed my brother-in-law’s son for a month, and my son was breastfed by my brother-in-law’s wife. I have a daughter and a son who are older than the child who was breastfed by my brother-in-law’s wife, and she also had two children before the child of hers whom I breastfed.
I hope that you can describe the kind of breastfeeding that makes the child a mahram and the rulings that apply to the rest of the siblings? Thank you very much.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Whoever is breastfed by a woman five times, before the age of two years, becomes her child through breastfeeding and she becomes his mother. Her husband (the “owner of the milk&rdquo becomes a father to him through breastfeeding, and everyone who was also breastfed by this woman becomes his brother or sister through breastfeeding, and so on.

That is because of the report narrated by Muslim (1425) from ‘Aa’ishah who said: “When the Qur’aan was first revealed, the number of breast-feedings that would make a child a relative (mahram) was ten, then this was abrogated and replaced with the number of five which is well-known.”

And al-Tirmidhi narrated that Umm Salamah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The only breastfeeding that creates the relationship of mahram is that which fills the stomach from the breast, before weaning.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwa’, 2150.

What is meant by “from the breast” means at the time of breastfeeding. The Arabs say “Maata fulaan fi’l-thadiy (So and so died at the time of breastfeeding, i.e, in infancy, before weaning).” This is the view of al-Shawkaani.

Al-Tirmidhi said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth, and the view followed by the majority of scholars among the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and others is that breastfeeding does not make a child a mahram unless it is done before the child reaches the age of two. Any breastfeeding that occurs after the age of two does not make the child a mahram.”

Al-Bukhaari (2645) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the daughter of Hamzah: “She is not permissible for me (to marry), because what becomes mahram (forbidden for marriage) through breastfeeding is that which become mahram through blood ties. And she is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding”

The definition of breastfeeding:

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

One breastfeeding (rad’ah) means when the child takes the beast and starts suckling, and then lets it go without being made to do so. That is one breastfeeding, because the Lawgiver referred to one breastfeeding in general terms, so it is to be interpreted according to custom, and this is the custom. If the child stops briefly in order to breathe or to rest or because of some distraction, then quickly goes back to the breast, this is regarded as one breastfeeding, just as when a person who is eating pauses briefly then quickly goes back to eating, this is not regarded as two meals, rather it is one. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i. And if the infant moves from one breast to the other, this is one breastfeeding. See also question no. 2864

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

If a woman breastfeeds a child for five well known breastfeedings or more during the first two years, the infant becomes a child for her and her husband who is the owner of the milk, and all that woman’s children from the husband who is the owner of the milk or from other husbands become siblings of this infant, and the children of the man who is the owner of the milk, whether from the breastfeeding woman or from other wives, become siblings of the infant. Her brothers become maternal aunts for him, and the brothers of the husband, the owner of the milk, become paternal uncles for him, and the father of the woman becomes a grandfather for the child and the father of the husband, the owner of the milk, becomes a grandfather to him and the husband’s mother becomes a grandmother to him, because Allaah says concerning female mahrams in Soorat al-Nisa’ (interpretation of the meaning):

“your foster mothers who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What becomes mahram (forbidden for marriage) through breastfeeding is that which become mahram through blood ties.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no breastfeeding except during the first two years.” And it was proven in Saheeh Muslim that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “When the Qur’an was first revealed, the number of breast-feedings that would make a child a relative (mahram) was ten, then this was abrogated and replaced with the number of five which is well-known. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed away when that was the state of affairs.” This version was narrated by al-Tirmidhi but it is also found in Saheeh Muslim.

From Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/333

In conclusion:

If your son was breastfed five times in the first two years by your brother-in-law’s wife, then he is a brother to all of her sons and daughters.

Similarly the son of this woman who was breastfed by you, becomes a son to you and a brother to all your sons and daughters, whether they are older or younger than the one who was breastfed, whether they were already present or have not been born yet.

Your sons – apart from the son who was breastfed by the wife of his paternal uncle – may marry the daughters of their paternal uncle, because they are not mahrams to one another. And your daughters may marry the sons of their paternal uncle except the son who was breastfed by you, because he is a brother to them, as explained above.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
kun je het voor mijn in het kort vertalen in het nl wat er staat ik ken namelijk geen engels alvast bedankt

17-04-2007, 20:48
dat mag niet dat is haram, hij is een verwant van jou net als je broer
je moeder heeft hem gevoed met de melk van haar brst.
ik heb het ergens gelezen het is strikt haram om met hem te trouwen.

17-04-2007, 20:52
Oew, k heb nu ff geen tijd maar het komt er op neer dat als die jongen niet 5 keer of meer van je moeder melk gehad heeft dan is hij niet jouw zoogbroer en zijn de regels niet van pas op jullie. Jullie kunnen dan gewoon met elkaar trouwen omdat jullie zeg maar vreemden voor elkaar zijn.

Ze verkopen een boek: '167 (zoiets) vragen en antwoorden over het moslimkind' van de Grote geleerden van deze tijd, daar staat borstvoeding in het nederlands uitgebreid in beschreven en wat de regelgeving is.
Heel leerzaam en als je gaat trouwen dan volgen inshaAllaah de kindjes ook wel snel. dus die info is van harte welkom.

17-04-2007, 20:53

Citaat door Jassira:
dat mag niet dat is haram, hij is een verwant van jou net als je broer
je moeder heeft hem gevoed met de melk van haar brst.
ik heb het ergens gelezen het is strikt haram om met hem te trouwen.



'Ergens gelezen' is niet sterk genoeg.


Ze mag met hem trouwen omdat hij geen 5 keer of meer van haar moeder heeft gedronken. 3 keer is te weinig om je zoogbroer te zijn.

17-04-2007, 21:09


waarom vraag je de imaam in de moskee niet. dan weet je het zeker!

17-04-2007, 21:23
selaam meid het mag niet!
1van mijn kennisen had dat mee gemaakt ze waren getrouwd en daarna zijn ze te weten gekomen dat hij van haar moeder borstvoeding heeft gehad en zijn ze gescheiden

17-04-2007, 21:32
Gescheiden? Ze moeten eerst een fatawa vragen, mensen handelen tegenwoordig echt uit djahl. :s

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