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[SIZE=2]uitspraken van Omar ?[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2][COLOR=black]Een voorbeeld voor jou jongentje [/COLOR][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]Betreft een vers ( besteniging) Sahih bukharie die je nergens in de koran kunt vinden [/COLOR][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]"Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;' thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment the Almighty revealed."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Stoning is in the Book of God. It is the right punishment for a person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available, or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Sahih al Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]Wat zegt Aisha Over dit vers ( besteniging )[/SIZE][/COLOR][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]"When the verses "Rajm" [Stoning] and ayah "Rezah Kabir" descended, they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S) a goat ate the piece of paper while we were mourning.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]1. Sunan Ibne Majah, Volume 2, Page 39, Published Karachi.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]2. Musnad Imam Ahmad, Volume 6, Page 269, Published Beirut.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]3. Taweel Mukhtalif Al Hadees, Page 310, Published Beirut[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Dus een geit heeft dit opgegeten ! lachwekkend allemaal ..
Trouwens ik heb nog voorbeelden in SAHIH bukharie, Mustadrak etc.. die over koran versen gaan die niet eens bestaan en etc..
dit is voldoende om al deze boeken te verwerpen ! want dat is Grote Kufr
( zoals wat jou broeder Yunus het ooit eens zei of plakte over shieetische boeken )
wacht op jou antwoord
Stoning Verses and Abrogation
Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad
I am involved in a discussion with some sisters where they disagree about stoning as the punishment for adultery.
Wa `alaykum as-Salam:
It is practically impossible to get someone convicted for adultery in Islam for a variety of reasons; but there is no disagreement about stoning (rajm) as the punishment for adultery. The Prophet, upon him peace, pronounced and carried out rajm upon three married Muslims - one man and two women - and two Jews, a man and a woman.
Stoning for adultery is mass-transmitted from the Prophet, upon him peace, both as verbal injunction (Hadith "The child belongs to the household where he is born and the adulterer gets stones"
and actual deed (stoning of Maa`iz ibn Maalik, Allah be well-pleased with him) cf. al-Kattani, Nazm al-Mutanathir (p. 105-106 §181-182). Furthermore, there is complete consensus in the first three generations of Islam - both in law and in its application by the Four Caliphs - that the hadd of adultery for the non-married is stoning, cf. Ibn Qudama, al-Mughni (8:158); Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari (12:118).
i.e. some say there are no stoning verses on the Qur'an, whilst as far as I know, unmarried individuals get lashes and banishment, whilst married people get lashes and stoning.
There are three types of abrogated Qur'anic verses:
(1) recitation-abrogated and ruling-abrogated
(2) recitation-established and ruling-abrogated
(3) recitation-abrogated and ruling-established
The verses that concern stoning as the punishment for a married person's adultery are of type (3) cf. al-Suyuti, al-Itqan fi `Ulum al-Qur'an (Type 47 of the Qur'anic Sciences, 2:718 of the Mustafa al-Bugha 1993 2nd edition, Dar Ibn Kathir).
[Note: in the case of "forcible adultery" (zina bil-jabr) i.e. rape - then the offender also faces death or (short of enough proof) long-term imprisonment regardless of marital status.]
See also Sa`d al-Mirsafi, Shubuhat Hawla Ahadith al-Rajm wa-Radduha (Beirut: Mu'assasat al-Rayyan, 1994) and Anwarullah, Criminal Law of Islam (Brunei: Ministry of Religious Affairs, 1995).
Islamqa.com (salafi site?) gives several hadith showing how certain verses related to adultery in the Qur'an have been abrogated, according to the Sunnah.
This is not entirely correct, as clarified already. (See separate post about the website quoted above.)
And Allah knows best.
Hajj Gibril
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Er waren veel Sahaba die havizien van de Koran al karim waren, en Allah swt beschermd het van elk kwaad. Lees het antwoord van de sheikh aandachtig door, laat me weten of je behoefte hebt aan vertaling.
En over welke bewijs heb je het ? drMohamad een broeder had de boeken in zijn bezit, ik heb geen sahih bukhari als boek waar ik je een hadith uit kan quoten, Je leest het op de site van Sahih bukhari. Bij deze heb je je antwoord dat jou laster jegens Abu Bakr Sadiq
niet in Sahih Bukhari staat. Ga naar de officiele site, je hebt gezien met je eigen ogen dat het er niet instaat. Misschien in jou pakistaanse vertaling.