Ahl al Sunnah & Ahl al Shi3a

[ElOmr]

Citaat door Yunus:

wat is de dalil van de shiitien dat mutah het halal is, mensen vluchten van de gestelde vragen zoals schapen van de wolven.

hoeveel a7adith kan je mij geven dat mut3a haraam werd verklaard in khaybar ?

[ElOmr]

Trouwens wil je ook beweren soenitten dit helemaal niet doen ? ( zwaj al mut3a)

[Yunus]

Citaat door ElOmr:

hoeveel a7adith kan je mij geven dat mut3a haraam werd verklaard in khaybar ?

Meer dan 17 hadith .

[Hamza_T]

Het 'probleem' zal de Isnad zijn Yunus abi.

[Yunus]

Citaat door Hamza_T:

Het 'probleem' zal de Isnad zijn Yunus abi.

Ze staan in sahih muslim en sahih bukhari. De wereld geleerden zijn het erover eens dat het haraam is. Mijn profeet sallalahualeyhiwasallam heeft het verboden verklaard. En NERGENS in de Koran is dit halal verklaard zoals bepaalde shias beweren. Ze zijn tevens welkom om al hun bewijzen op te sommen.

[Yunus]

Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3257
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3258
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3259
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3260
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3261
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3262
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3263
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3264
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3265
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3266
Sahih Muslim, Bo 08, Hadith 3267
Sahih Muslim, Bo 21, Hadith 4763
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 7, Bo 62, Hadith 050
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 7, Bo 62, Hadith 052
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 9, Bo 86, Hadith 091
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 7, Bo 67, Hadith 432
Sahih Bukhari, Vol 5, Bo 59, Hadith 527

[Hamza_T]

Ik heb geen probleem met Riwayah van Muslim en Bukhari, dat bedoelde ik niet.

[ElOmr]

Betreft die vers:

"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."

[ Note: For the above Hadith, the Saudi translator of Sahih al-Bukhari (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) has changed the word "Mut'a" to "Hajj-at-Tamatu". This is while in the Arabic text of the Hadith of al-Bukhari which is beside the English text, the word "Mut'a" has been used alone: ]

نزلت أية المتعة في كتاب الله

Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v6, Hadith #43
Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p436 on the authority of 'Imran Ibn al-Qasir


Dit kon ik voorlopig vinden ..

Marra ogra insha allah

Wa 3alaikoum al salaam

[Yunus]

Citaat door ElOmr:

Trouwens wil je ook beweren soenitten dit helemaal niet doen ? ( zwaj al mut3a)

Muslims horen het niet te doen, nadat het haraam is verklaard door mohammad sallalahualeyhiwasallam. Allah swt zegt "Atiullahu wa atiulrasul"

[Yunus]

Citaat door ElOmr:

Betreft die vers:

"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."

[ Note: For the above Hadith, the Saudi translator of Sahih al-Bukhari (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) has changed the word "Mut'a" to "Hajj-at-Tamatu". This is while in the Arabic text of the Hadith of al-Bukhari which is beside the English text, the word "Mut'a" has been used alone: ]

نزلت أية المتعة في كتاب الله

Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v6, Hadith #43
Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p436 on the authority of 'Imran Ibn al-Qasir


Dit kon ik voorlopig vinden ..

Marra ogra insha allah

Wa 3alaikoum al salaam

Zoek de hadith .

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

Deze vertaling is ook van muhsin khan.

[Yunus]

Citaat door Hamza_T:

Ik heb geen probleem met Riwayah van Muslim en Bukhari, dat bedoelde ik niet.

Ok, de isnaad bedoelde je broeder, ik ben geen geleerde, noch iemand die voldoende verstand heeft van hadith wetenschappen.

[ElOmr]

Imran Ibn Husain narrated: "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
Sunni reference:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, pp 200,202, under the verse 4:24
Tafsir Ibn Hayyan, v3, p218, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
Tafsir Nisaboori, by al-Nisaboori (8th century)


Abu Nadhra said: I asked Ibn Abbas about temporary marriage (Mut'a of women). Ibn Abbas (RA) said: "Do you not read 'For whatever you enjoyed (Istamta'tum) them by the contract to an appointed time'?" I said: "If I would have read it this way, I wouldn't ask you (about temporary marriage)!" He replied: "Certainly the verse is about it."

Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p177, Traditions #9036-9037


Mujahid (RA) said: "The phrase 'So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract [4:24]' means the Temporary Marriage (Nikah al-Mut'a)."

Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Tabari, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p176, Tradition #9034.


Abu Nadhra said: Ibn Abbas (RA) recited the verse 4:24 with the addition of "to an appointed time". I said to him: "I did not read it this way." Ibn Abbas replied: "I swear by Allah, this is how Allah revealed it," and Ibn Abbas repeated this statement three times."

Sunni references:
afsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p177, Tradition #9038
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Jubair.

[ElOmr]

Citaat door Yunus:

Zoek de hadith .

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

Deze vertaling is ook van muhsin khan.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43:
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:

The Verse of Hajj-at-Tamatu was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (who regarded it illegal) just expressed what his own mind suggested.



Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v6, Hadith #43
Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p436 on the authority of 'Imran Ibn al-Qasir


( deze hieronder staat niet in bukharie)
[ Note: For the above Hadith, the Saudi translator of Sahih al-Bukhari (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) has changed the word "Mut'a" to "Hajj-at-Tamatu". This is while in the Arabic text of the Hadith of al-Bukhari which is beside the English text, the word "Mut'a" has been used alone: ]

[ElOmr]

Narrated 'Abdullah Ibn Masud:
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us (to castrate ourselves) and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (Mut'a) and recited to us:
'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13:


Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, v7, Tradition #13a
Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v6, p11, under Tafsir of verse 5:87 of Quran
Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p1022, Tradition #11, "Kitab al-Nikah, Bab Nikah al-Mut'a"
Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3243

[ElOmr]

While I was in the company of Jabir Ibn Abdullah (RA), a person came to him and said that Ibn Abbas (RA) and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'a (Mut'a of Hajj and Mut'a of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the life time of Allah's Messenger (PBUH&HF). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3250.
Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p1023, Tradition #17, also v2, p914, Tradition #1249.