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22-06-2006, 16:41
Ik heb een vraagje voor onze zusters die met de auto op vakantie gaan naar marokko.Hoe doen jullie dat met het gebed bidden jullie gewoon buiten naast de auto of doen jullie het zittend in de auto.Mag een vrouw wel in het openbaar een gebed uitvoeren want zoals je weet zijn er nog andere mensen aanwezig op de parking zoals mannen.


Wa aleikoum salaam

22-06-2006, 16:45


ik w8 tot ik in de boot ben en haal alles in je mag ze verkorten om dat je op reis bent
die wc zijn zo vies dat ik er geen woedoe wil doen moet ik meteen over geven denk

22-06-2006, 16:47
Ja vreselijk is dat gewoon die wc's maar als je toch op een nette parking komt dan kan het eventueel wel.Hoe doe je dat dan in de boot heb je kamer of ook gewoon ergens in een hoekje?

22-06-2006, 16:49
Ik bid altijd in de auto zittend. Ik ga altijd naar het gehandicaptentoilet, daar valt het vaak mee met de viezigheid. Flesje mee en dan lukt het meestal wel.

Liefs, OemShahid

22-06-2006, 16:51


Ja dat doe ik dus ook en bid ook in de auto zittend maar soms zag ik vrouwen wel gewoon buiten bidden naast de auto dus daarom die vraag.

22-06-2006, 17:01
WIj nemen altijd zo'n steen mee (tajmoem) en bidden gewoon zittend, mijn vader bid meestal naast de auto als we stoppen, maar af en toe gewoon zittend.

22-06-2006, 17:02
Los van het feit of het toegestaan is volgens de islam, zou ik mij niet prettig voelen als ik weet dat er mannen naar mij zitten te kijken.

Liefs, OemShahid

22-06-2006, 17:06
Ja denk ook niet dat het prettig is en als je woedoe kan doen is wel beter dan tajmoem.maar ja iedereen doet het op zijn eigen manier want ondanks dat veel zusters toch met de auto gaan en sommige er misschien zich het ook afvragen hoe of wat.

22-06-2006, 17:23
Kan niemand ons wat meer tips geven of uitleg?

22-06-2006, 17:32
[I]A salaam oe 3alaikoem wa Rahmatullah,

Het is intussen een tijdje geleden dat ik met de auto op reis ben geweest, maar ik bad vroeger altijd met de auto, een boom of muur achter me. En meestal is m'n vader of broer ook in de buurt. Verder weet ik niet in hoeverre het toegestaan is om zittend te bidden, aangezien het op reis zijn niet als excuus geldt om zittend te bidden. Allahoe a3lam ... ik zal Insja Allah snel iets hierover zoeken. [/I]

22-06-2006, 17:37
Salam alaikoum

Als wij onderweg naar Marokko zijn dan bidt ik in de auto en doe tajmoem. Zodra ik een schone toilet tegenkom doe ik el woudoe.
Van mijn vader heb ik altijd geleerd dat een vrouw niet in het openbaar mag bidden in hoeverre dit waar is Allah ou A3lam.

22-06-2006, 17:40
salamoeghalaikoem zusters,
wel een belangrijk vraag eingelijk, ik was op een lezing vorige jaar waar en sheikh in Saudie arabie gevraagd werd live op msn over dit onderwerp. hij zei dat je mag in je auto bidden alleen als het buiten slechte weer zoals regen of sneeuw en je kan geen onderak vinden. voor de vrouwen ze moeten iets achter hun hebben staan zoals auto of boom of gewoon iemand tot dat ze klaar zijn. en taymoem mag je doen als er helemaal geen water is en dat is het geval niet onderweg. op reis kun je wel je zokken aanhouden dat scheelt al weer ...............

ik hoop dat ik duidelijk ben geweest

22-06-2006, 17:43


Question #21869: Praying in cars and on planes



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Question :


I am a woman, I live in one city and I travel with my husband to another city for some purpose or to walk about and go shopping. Sometimes the time for Maghrib or ‘Isha comes and we go and look for a mosque that has room for women to pray, but sometimes we cannot find such a place. So my husband prays but I cannot find a place to pray. Allaah knows that we look hard but unfortunately as I said sometimes we have no success, so I pray in the car sitting down. My question is, is my prayer offered in this manner valid, knowing that I have done this more than once? Please advise me.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

What you did is not correct, because standing when one is able to do so is an essential part of the prayer. You could pray in the mosque, in the men’s room, after the men have left. If you cannot find a mosque then you can pray on the ground in any place.

Praying in cars, planes, trains or other means of conveyance, where one cannot face the qiblah or pray standing, is not permissible in the case of obligatory prayers unless two conditions are met:

1 – There should be the fear that the time for the obligatory prayer will end before reaching your destination. But if you will reach your destination before the time for prayer is over, you should wait until you get there to pray.

2 – It should not be possible to get off and pray on the ground. If it is possible to do so then you must do that.

If these two conditions are met, then it is permissible to pray in the vehicle. The evidence for it being permissible to pray in this case is the general meaning of the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

“So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can”

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

“and [Allaah] has not laid upon you in religion any hardship”

[al-Hajj 22:78]

If it is said, If I am allowed to pray in these vehicles, should I face the qiblah and should I pray sitting even though I am able to stand? The answer is:

If you are able to face the qiblah throughout the prayer, then you must do that, because it is a condition of an obligatory prayer being valid whether one is travelling or not. See Question no. 10945.

If it is not possible to face the qiblah throughout the prayer, then fear Allaah as much as you can and do your best, because of the evidence narrated above.

This has to do with obligatory prayers. With regard to supererogatory (naafil) prayers, the matter is more relaxed; it is permissible for the Muslim to pray in the vehicles mentioned no matter what direction they are facing, even if he could get down on the ground at some times, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray naafil prayers on his mount no matter what direction it was facing. Jaabir narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “used to pray voluntary prayers when he was riding without facing the qiblah.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1094). But it is better to face the qiblah when starting to pray a naafil prayer, if that is possible when travelling.

See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/124

With regard to offering obligatory prayers sitting down when one is able to stand, that is not permissible because of the general meaning of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stand before Allaah with obedience”

[al-Baqarah 2:238]

and because of the hadeeth of ‘Imraan ibn Husayn, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “Pray standing; if you cannot, then sitting; and if you cannot then lying on your side.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1117).

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/126.



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22-06-2006, 17:45
dankje wel zuster het is zeker een belangrijke vraag want de meeste mensen vergeten het om te vragen en om die kennis mee te delen aan de andere en oem nusayba inshallah als je iets hierover kunt vinden zou ik het op prijs stellen als jehet dan kunt plaatsen.


wa aleikoum salaam

22-06-2006, 17:46

Citaat door Marisah:
Question #21869: Praying in cars and on planes



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Question :


I am a woman, I live in one city and I travel with my husband to another city for some purpose or to walk about and go shopping. Sometimes the time for Maghrib or ‘Isha comes and we go and look for a mosque that has room for women to pray, but sometimes we cannot find such a place. So my husband prays but I cannot find a place to pray. Allaah knows that we look hard but unfortunately as I said sometimes we have no success, so I pray in the car sitting down. My question is, is my prayer offered in this manner valid, knowing that I have done this more than once? Please advise me.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

What you did is not correct, because standing when one is able to do so is an essential part of the prayer. You could pray in the mosque, in the men’s room, after the men have left. If you cannot find a mosque then you can pray on the ground in any place.

Praying in cars, planes, trains or other means of conveyance, where one cannot face the qiblah or pray standing, is not permissible in the case of obligatory prayers unless two conditions are met:

1 – There should be the fear that the time for the obligatory prayer will end before reaching your destination. But if you will reach your destination before the time for prayer is over, you should wait until you get there to pray.

2 – It should not be possible to get off and pray on the ground. If it is possible to do so then you must do that.

If these two conditions are met, then it is permissible to pray in the vehicle. The evidence for it being permissible to pray in this case is the general meaning of the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope”

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

“So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can”

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

“and [Allaah] has not laid upon you in religion any hardship”

[al-Hajj 22:78]

If it is said, If I am allowed to pray in these vehicles, should I face the qiblah and should I pray sitting even though I am able to stand? The answer is:

If you are able to face the qiblah throughout the prayer, then you must do that, because it is a condition of an obligatory prayer being valid whether one is travelling or not. See Question no. 10945.

If it is not possible to face the qiblah throughout the prayer, then fear Allaah as much as you can and do your best, because of the evidence narrated above.

This has to do with obligatory prayers. With regard to supererogatory (naafil) prayers, the matter is more relaxed; it is permissible for the Muslim to pray in the vehicles mentioned no matter what direction they are facing, even if he could get down on the ground at some times, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray naafil prayers on his mount no matter what direction it was facing. Jaabir narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) “used to pray voluntary prayers when he was riding without facing the qiblah.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1094). But it is better to face the qiblah when starting to pray a naafil prayer, if that is possible when travelling.

See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/124

With regard to offering obligatory prayers sitting down when one is able to stand, that is not permissible because of the general meaning of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stand before Allaah with obedience”

[al-Baqarah 2:238]

and because of the hadeeth of ‘Imraan ibn Husayn, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “Pray standing; if you cannot, then sitting; and if you cannot then lying on your side.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1117).

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 8/126.



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Dank je wel lieve zuster maar heb je niets iet sin het nederlands geschreven want mijn engels is niet zo goed. alvast bedankt

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