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  1. #31
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    Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Some people at times of hardship say Ya Muhammad or Ya ‘Ali or Ya Jilaani. What is the ruling on that?

    He replied:

    If the intention is to call upon them and seek their help, then the person is a mushrik in the sense of major shirk that puts one beyond the pale of Islam, and he must repent to Allaah and call upon Allaah alone, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations? Is there any ilaah (god) with Allaah? Little is that you remember!”

    [al-Naml 27:62]

    As well as being a mushrik, he is also fooling himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And who turns away from the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) except him who befools himself?”

    [al-Baqarah 2:130]

    “And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them?”

    [al-Ahqaaf 46:5]

    End quote from Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (2/133).

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


  2. #32
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    Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: Is it shirk if someone says in any place on earth, Ya Muhammad Ya Rasool-Allaah, calling him?

    He replied:

    Allaah has stated in His Holy Book and on the lips of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that worship is the right of Allaah alone and no one else has any share of it, and that du’aa’ is a kind of worship, so if a person says in any place on earth, Ya Rasool-Allaah, Ya Nabi Allaah or Ya Muhammad, help me, or save me, or support me, or heal me, or support your ummah, or heal the sick Muslims, and guide their misguided ones and so on, then he is making him a partner with Allaah in worship. The same applies to those who do the same thing with regard to other Prophets, angels, awliya’ (“saints), jinn, idols or any other created beings, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)”

    [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

    “O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allaah), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious”

    [al-Baqarah 2:21]

    End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (2/453).

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


  3. #33
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    Hoe voelt het , dat een AUTHENTIEKE Hadith , afgodendienst promoot , volgens jou kromme manhaj?

    Het moet wel pijn doen ... je durft er niet eens naar te kijken!

  4. #34
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    Ze post allemaal off-topic dingen ... geen 1 woord over de authentieke Hadith , die "Shirk" bevat , hellemaal nikss!!!

  5. #35
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    Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (1/265):

    Nothing can be obligatory or mustahabb except on the basis of shar‘i evidence which indicates that it is obligatory or mustahabb. Acts of worship can only be obligatory or mustahabb; anything that is not obligatory or mustahabb is not an act of worship. Supplication to Allah, may He be exalted, is an act of worship, if what is sought thereby is something permissible. End quote.

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


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    Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (1/265):

    Nothing can be obligatory or mustahabb except on the basis of shar‘i evidence which indicates that it is obligatory or mustahabb. Acts of worship can only be obligatory or mustahabb; anything that is not obligatory or mustahabb is not an act of worship. Supplication to Allah, may He be exalted, is an act of worship, if what is sought thereby is something permissible. End quote.


    He also said in al-Fataawa (1/278):

    With regard to supplication that is attributed to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), he did not enjoin it, and what is enjoined is not narrated from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). We cannot base any shar‘i matter on such reports, like anything else narrated from some individuals among the Sahaabah with regard to that which comes under the heading of worship, what is permissible, what is obligatory or what is prohibited. If no other Sahaabi agreed with him on that and what is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is different and is not in harmony with it, then doing it is not a Sunnah that the Muslims should follow; rather at best it is something that is subject to examination and ijtihad, and it is something concerning which the ummah differed so it should be referred to Allah and His Messenger. There are many examples of that.

    The Standing Committee was asked about a Muslim who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, but he says in his supplication: O Allah, give me such and such of the good of this world and the hereafter, by virtue of the status of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), or by the barakah (blessing) of the Messenger, or by the sanctity of the Prophet, or by the status of Shaykh at-Tijaani, or by the barakah of Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir, or by the sanctity of Shaykh as-Sanoussi – what is the ruling on that?

    They replied:

    Whoever seeks a response from Allah to his supplication by mentioning the status of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), or by his sanctity or barakah, or by the status, sanctity or barakah of anyone else among the righteous, and says “O Allah, by the status, sanctity or barakah of Your Prophet, give me wealth and children, or admit me to Paradise and save me from the punishment of Hell”, for example – he is not a mushrik in the sense of major shirk that puts one beyond the pale of Islam, but that is prohibited so as to block the means that lead to shirk, and so as to keep the Muslim away from something that may lead to shirk.

    Undoubtedly seeking a divine response (tawassul) by virtue of the status of the Prophets and the righteous is one of the means that may lead to shirk with the passage of time, according to what is indicated and attested to by real-life experience. There is a great deal of evidence in the Qur’an and Sunnah which definitively indicates that blocking the means that lead to shirk and prohibited matters is one of the objectives of sharee‘ah, as is indicated by the words of Allah, may He be exalted (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fairseeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do”

    [al-An‘aam 6:108].

    Allah, may He be glorified, forbade the Muslims to revile the gods of the mushrikeen that they worshipped besides Allah, even though they are false, lest that become a means that leads the mushrikeen to revile the true God, may He be glorified, in support of their false gods, out of ignorance and enmity on their part. Further examples include the Prophet’s prohibition on taking graves as places of worship, lest they be worshipped; the prohibition on a man being alone with a non-mahram woman; and the prohibition on a woman showing her adornment before non-mahram men… Because seeking a divine response by virtue of the status, sanctity and so on of righteous people in supplication is an act of worship, and acts of worship are to be based on tawqeef [[i.e., they can only be known through divine revelation and sound texts of hadith, and cannot be known through ijtihaad or reason], and there is no text in the Qur’an or the Sunnah of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and no report from his Companions to support this kind of tawassul, thus it is known that it is an innovation…

    See: Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah (1/501-502).

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


  7. #37
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    Dit zijn allemaal vlucht-pogingen ...

    Dat authentieke Hadith is zo angstaanjagend voor haar , ze durft er niet naar te kijken ....

    En ze noemt zichzelf "Ahlalhadith" haha ... bewijs dat je Ahlalhadith bent ...

  8. #38
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    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

    Whoever regards the angels and Prophets as intermediaries whom he calls upon, puts his trust in and asks them to bring that which will benefit him and ward off harmful things, such as asking them to forgive sins, guide them, relieve them of distress and meet their needs, is a kaafir, according to the consensus of the Muslims.

    Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 1/124.

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


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    Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    The kinds of shirk include asked the dead for one's needs, or seeking their help, or turning to them. This is the essence of shirk.

    Fath al-Majeed, p. 145

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


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    How can the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) be called upon, when Allaah has commanded him to say, “Say: ‘It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path’” [al-Jinn 72:21 – interpretation of the meaning]?

    And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If you ask, then ask of Allaah, and if you seek help, then seek the help of Allaah.”

    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2516; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 2043.

    ''O jullie die gelovig zijn! Als een zondaar een bericht naar jullie brengt, trek dat dan na.''

    يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِن جَآءَكُمۡ فَاسِقُۢ بِنَبَإٍ۬ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓاْ
    (الحُجرَات -6)


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    Ibn Taymiyyah zegt:’Zo ook de de profeten en de vromen, ook al zijn zij levend in hun graf en kunnen zij dua doen voor de levende en ook al is daarover athar overgeleverd, dat duidt er niet op dat het toegestaan is voor iemand om dat van hen te vragen, niemand van de salaf heeft dat gedaan, want dat is een weg naar het assoccieren van hen naast Allah en het aanbidden van hen naast Allah, in tegenstelling als men dat van hen vraagt als zij levend zijn, want dan leidt het niet naar shirk. ( Majmu al fatawa 1/330 )

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    Ibn Taymiyyah zegt:’Zo ook de de profeten en de vromen, ook al zijn zij levend in hun graf en kunnen zij dua doen voor de levende en ook al is daarover athar overgeleverd, dat duidt er niet op dat het toegestaan is voor iemand om dat van hen te vragen, niemand van de salaf heeft dat gedaan, want dat is een weg naar het assoccieren van hen naast Allah en het aanbidden van hen naast Allah, in tegenstelling als men dat van hen vraagt als zij levend zijn, want dan leidt het niet naar shirk. ( Majmu al fatawa 1/330 )
    Juist , Ibn Taymiyah geloofde dat het KAN leiden naar Shirk , en niet dat het zelfs Shirk is, zoals deze Takfiri Umm_Jahl wel denkt.

    Geen 1 klassieke geleerde heeft 'Du'a vragen' aan de Profeet, na zijn dood, Shirk genoemd ... geen 1!

    Ik daag haar uit om 1 klassieke geleerde te citeren en zijn bewijs/usoel.

    In tegendeel, de fuqaha van de 4 madhabs (ook de Hanbalis, waarachter Umm_Jahl probeert te schuilen), moedigen ons juist aan in hun boeken om de Profeet om zijn bemiddeling te vragen bij zijn graf.

    Het is Shirk om goddelijke eigenschappen aan doden toe te kennen of hen iets te vragen dat alleen Allaah kan doen.

    Dat is wat Takfir dwazen niet kunnen begrijpen ... ze gooien alle zaken samen.

  13. #43
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    Umm Diarree heeft alleen vandaag 60 reacties geplaatst
    Haar hart is daarom zo verhard en verrot. Dat jullie haar nog serieus nemen. Zonder van jullie kostbare tijd
    Er is geen goedheid in kennis als die niet wordt bevestigd door daden, of woorden die niet worden bevestigd door handelingen.

  14. #44
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    Umm_Jahl ... als je vanavond in bed ligt , knoop goed tussen je oren dat die Hadith authentiek was .

    Ik krijg wel een antwoord , sooner or later .

    Weet dat je geen enkele klassieke geleerde achter je hebt, die zegt dat Du'a vragen aan de Profeet Shirk is!

    En weer ook dat je Takfiri standpunt je dwingt om Takfir te doen op Ibn Kathir, Ibn Qudamah, Nawawi, en bijna ALLE fuqaha!!!

  15. #45
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    Mischien komt dit alles hard over , maar zij verdient dat , tot zij haar Takfir/Dhulm stopt .

    Man laa yarham , laa yurham ... wie geen genade toont, zal geen genade ontvangen. (Hadith)

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