Armenian Historian Advises France to Start First with Algeria and Rwanda

[Cecen]

Armenian Historian Advises France to Start First with Algeria and Rwanda By Selcuk Gultasli, Brussels Published: Thursday, May 11, 2006 zaman.com http://www.zaman.com/2006/05/11/ara_b.jpg Armenian-origin British historian Ara Sarafian, criticising the French draft law that will punish the deniers of the Armenian “genocide,” said France should first start with its role in Algeria and Rwanda. Sarafian, the Director of the Gomidas Institute in London, the publisher of many western primary sources on the Armenian “Genocide”, as well as the editor of the critical edition of the 1916 British Parliamentary Blue Book, is vehemently against the French draft. Despite the fact that he subscribes to the Armenian “Genocide” thesis; Sarafian thinks the draft law may halt the blossoming debate in Turkey on what happened in 1915. Sarafian, who attended the recent Istanbul University Symposium on the future of Turkish Armenian relations despite the stern warnings of the Armenian Diaspora, had worked in the Turkish archives only to be expelled. He has now once again received permission “without any preconditions” to study the Turkish archives. The following is the full text of his remarks in response to our questions about the proposed draft law: The Armenian issue has become a political issue between two contending camps, Turkish nationalists (and successive Turkish governments) on the one hand, and Armenian nationalists on the other. Because Turkish governments have until recently denied that there was an Armenian issue to be addressed, or explained that the issue was the product of "Armenian terrorism" (1970s and 80s), or unfortunate events of mutual communal carnage, they also set the ground rules of how this issue would be addressed i.e. in terms of power politics. They thus nurtured and empowered the radical Armenian nationalist camps we see today. Armenian nationalists are now playing the game by the same rules, and they have recently found themselves in a powerful position because of Turkey's accession talks for EU membership. They have aligned the Armenian issue in two somewhat contradictory camps, where the Armenian issue is used as a yardstick to measure Turkey's ability to come to terms with its past, and in doing so, its ability to adopt a new political trajectory that reflects core values adopted by the European Union; and at the same time, the Armenian issue is used to give substance to racists, xenophobes and anti-Islamicists who do not want Turkey to enter the European Union. The prospective French law is part of an unfortunate power dynamic, and whether it passes or not, the final outcome will be the result of power politics. It is ironic that the French legislature, with its own past in Algeria and Rwanda, is willing to go down this path. Perhaps the real tragedy is that the current Turkish government has taken important steps to resolve the Armenian issue. After all, it has "uncensored" the Armenian debate in Turkey by allowing it to be discussed openly, letting Turkish nationalist institutions, such as the Turkish Historical Society, to fend for themselves in the open arena. It is true that the debate is unequal. There are still draconian laws that are invoked against dissidents, and most TV stations still espouse the anti-Armenian line, but there is still a significant shift towards open debate. Not all TV stations programmes espouse the state perspective, many newspapers and publications discuss the Armenian issue more openly, and many court cases against dissenters are quashed within Turkish legal system. There are already many Turks and Kurds who have entered this debate in a critical manner, and they have critical audiences who want to know the truth. All of this is to Turkey's credit and there is every prospect that the Armenian issue will be resolved in a peaceful manner in the near future. It is unfortunate that, if the prospective French law is passed, it could lead to a souring of relations between Turkey and the EU, as well as a right-wing backlash within Turkey and its own democratization process. Such a scenario will suit the interest of the two nationalist camps, which will remain part of the problem and not the solution. I hope, irrespective of what happens in Paris in the next few weeks, we do not lose the perspective of what is important. Today we have the opportunity of resolving the Armenian issue in a peaceful and meaningful fashion, based on the truth, and the dignity of the descendants of the people concerned. Europeans should help and judge Turkey and Armenians on how they progress down this road. The current proposed legislation in Paris is a detraction at best, and a hindrance at worse. WAARHEID IS HARD HE:hihi:

[Cecen]

REARGEER DAN HALLO JAAA WAARHEID IS HARD HE:moe: STELLETJE KLOOTZAKKEN ALS HET IN DE NADEEL VAN TURKIJE WAS WAREN ER NU 500 REACTIES

[Cecen]

SOoow Geeen 1 reactie:moe:

[Hamza_T]

Ik heb meer Armenen gezien die vraagtekens hadden bij de 'armeense genocide' en de politieke motieven erachter om deze zaken aan te halen. Het waren en zijn tot op de dag van vandaag nog steeds de bepaalde West-Europeanen (dus niet Armenen) die deze gebeurtenissen allemaal zo belangrijk vinden, vreemd.

[Cecen]

Ik heb meer Armenen gezien die vraagtekens hadden bij de 'armeense genocide' en de politieke motieven erachter om deze zaken aan te halen. Het waren en zijn tot op de dag van vandaag nog steeds de bepaalde West-Europeanen (dus niet Armenen) die deze gebeurtenissen allemaal zo belangrijk vinden, vreemd. Jah die zogenaamde genocide heeft nooit plaats gevonden Ik weet nog steeds niet waarom ze nog zeiken

[Hamza_T]

Er zijn er veel gestorven omdat er immers een oorlog en dus een situatie van crisis was (zoals voedselgebrek), plus een epidemie. Als je daar dan bij optelt dat ze moesten emigreren omdat ze verraad hadden gepleegd jegens het Ottomaanse rijk dan kun je begrijpen dat de Turken in dorpen en dergelijke niet bepaald voor hen klaarstonden met bloemen en voedsel. Dit verklaard al een hoop.

[sjanghai]

Deze man ontkent de genocide niet overigens, als je tenminste het artikel goed gelezen hebt. Hij zegt alleen dat het als een politiek middel wordt gebruikt. Daar heeft hij natuurlijk gelijk in. Dus welke "waarheid" heb je het over, Cecen?

[Cecen]

Deze man ontkent de genocide niet overigens, als je tenminste het artikel goed gelezen hebt. Hij zegt alleen dat het als een politiek middel wordt gebruikt. Daar heeft hij natuurlijk gelijk in. Dus welke "waarheid" heb je het over, Cecen? De waarheid om in te spiegel te KIJKEN

[sjanghai]

De waarheid om in te spiegel te KIJKENDat is inderdaad zo, Frankrijk mag dat best wat meer doen. Maar "kijk naar jezelf" is geen goede argumentatie vind ik. Nederland is een van de weinige landen die excuses heeft aangeboden voor haar koloniale verleden, o.a. aan Indonesië, waarmee de relatie nu uitermate goed is. Dat zou Frankrijk ook kunnen doen.

[Palestine]

De Fransen willen doormiddel van deze wet voorkomen dat Turkije uberhaupt ooit lid wordt van de EU, want de zogenaamde Armeense genocide ligt erg gevoelig bij de Turken.

[Cecen]

De Fransen willen doormiddel van deze wet voorkomen dat Turkije uberhaupt ooit lid wordt van de EU, want de zogenaamde Armeense genocide ligt erg gevoelig bij de Turken. Natuurlijk gevoelig wij zijn geslacht niet hun:moe: Vuile Hypocrieten zijn ze

[Elberfeld]

Perhaps the real tragedy is that the current Turkish government has taken important steps to resolve the Armenian issue. After all, it has "uncensored" the Armenian debate in Turkey by allowing it to be discussed openly, letting Turkish nationalist institutions, such as the Turkish Historical Society, to fend for themselves in the open arena. It is true that the debate is unequal. There are still draconian laws that are invoked against dissidents, and most TV stations still espouse the anti-Armenian line, but there is still a significant shift towards open debate. Not all TV stations programmes espouse the state perspective, many newspapers and publications discuss the Armenian issue more openly, and many court cases against dissenters are quashed within Turkish legal system. There are already many Turks and Kurds who have entered this debate in a critical manner, and they have critical audiences who want to know the truth. All of this is to Turkey's credit and there is every prospect that the Armenian issue will be resolved in a peaceful manner in the near future. Wat is er nu zo hard aan de bewering dat er in Turkije een debat over de Armeense zaak op gang komt? :confused:

[Cecen]

French Companies Worried About Boycott Threats By AA, Paris Published: Friday, May 12, 2006 zaman.com While debates over the bill to criminalize the denial of the so-called Armenian genocide continue in France, French companies worry about a possible boycott threat from Turkey, officials said. French businessmen regard the proposed bill proposal as the "irresponsibility of politicians,” wrote the French daily Le Monde. "This crisis could be worse than the crisis that occurred between the two countries when France officially recognized the so-called genocide in 2001," commented reporters, while boycott calls on French goods in Turkey received wide coverage in the news. Meanwhile, "The Defense Committee for Armenian Case" (CCAF) in France reacted to the rejection of the bill at the Parliament Law Affairs Commission in yesterday's session. The CCAF disclosed that the bill was rejected upon the request of President Jacques Chirac. Parliament Foreign Affairs Commission Vice President Herve de Charrette; however, pronounced his objection to the bill and said that the bill would most probably be rejected in the General Assembly.

[Hamza_T]

Cecen jij bent dus geen Tsjetjeen neem ik aan?

[Cecen]

Cecen jij bent dus geen Tsjetjeen neem ik aan? Nope Ik heb ook nooit gezegt dar ik er 1 was Ik zeg altijd dat ik een moslim en daarna een Turk ben