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14-10-2005, 17:15

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- selaam wa3lejkoem broeders en zusters als eerst hoop ik dat jullie in goede gezondheid en imaan verkeren. ik zit met een vraag waar ik heel graag antwoord op wil krijgen het liefst nog met delil. het zit namelijk zo ik ga inscha allah binnen kort trouwen omdat wij allebei me man en ik een nederlandse nationaliteit hebben moeten we eerst bij de hollanders trouwen en dan pas zijn we welkom bij de marokkaanse consulaat. MIJN VRAAAG is nu mag ik dan na de hollandse trouw acte contakt hebben met me man ben ik dan halal bezig of moet ik wachten tot de marokkaanse acte. want ik denk er zo over omdat die hollandse acte verplicht is dat hij niet geld. ik hoop dat jullie mij hiermee kunnen helpen 1 nov zal ik bij de hollanders trouwen dus hoop voor die tijd wat te horen selaam wa3lejkoem broeders en zusters en djazak allhoe gair voor al jullie moeite alvast

14-10-2005, 17:44
Question : What exactly constitutes a guardian, as is needed in the nikkah ceremony. I am a female Muslim, and I want to know if my older brother is acceptable for this role. Answer : Praise be to Allaah. There are three pillars or conditions for the marriage contract in Islam: Both parties should be free of any obstacles that might prevent the marriage from being valid, such as their being mahrams of one another (i.e., close relatives who are permanently forbidden to marry), whether this relationship is through blood ties or through breastfeeding (radaa’) etc., or where the man is a kaafir (non-Muslim) and the woman is a Muslim, and so on. There should be an offer or proposal (eejaab) from the walee or the person who is acting in his place, who should say to the groom “I marry so-and-so to you” or similar words. There should be an expression of acceptance (qabool) on the part of the groom or whoever is acting in his place, who should say, “I accept,” or similar words. The conditions of a proper nikaah (marriage contract) are as follows: Both the bride and groom should be clearly identified, whether by stating their names or describing them, etc. Both the bride and groom should be pleased with one another, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No previously-married woman (widow or divorcee) may be married until she has been asked about her wishes (i.e., she should state clearly her wishes), and no virgin should be married until her permission has been asked (i.e., until she has agreed either in words or by remaining silent).” They asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, how is her permission given (because she will feel very shy)?” He said: “By her silence.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4741) The one who does the contract on the woman’s behalf should be her walee, as Allaah addressed the walees with regard to marriage (interpretation of the meaning): “And marry those among you who are single…” [al-Noor 24:32] and because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who marries without the permission of her walee, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 1021 and others; it is a saheeh hadeeth) The marriage contract must be witnessed, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no marriage contract except with a walee and two witnesses.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 7558) It is also important that the marriage be announced, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Announce marriages.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; classed as hasan in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1027) The conditions of the walee are as follows: He should be of sound mind He should be an adult He should be free (not a slave) He should be of the same religion as the bride. A kaafir cannot be the walee of a Muslim, male or female, and a Muslim cannot be the walee of a kaafir, male or female, but a kaafir can be the walee of a kaafir woman for marriage purposes, even if they are of different religions. An apostate (one who has left Islam) cannot be a walee for anybody. He should be of good character (‘adaalah – includes piety, attitude, conduct, etc.), as opposed to being corrupt. This is a condition laid down by some scholars, although some of them regard the outward appearance of good character as being sufficient, and some say that it is enough if he is judged as being able to pay proper attention to the interests of the woman for whom he is acting as walee in the matter of her marriage. He should be male, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No woman may conduct the marriage contract of another woman, and no woman can conduct the marriage contract on behalf of her own self, because the zaaniyah (fornicatress, adulteress) is the one who arranges things on her own behalf.” (Reported by Ibn Maajah, 1782; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 7298) He should be wise and mature (rushd), which means being able to understand matters of compatibility and the interests of marriage. The fuqahaa’ put possible walees in a certain order, and a walee who is more closely-related should not be ignored unless there is no such person or the relatives do not meet the specified conditions. A woman’s walee is her father, then whoever her father may have appointed before his death, then her paternal grandfather or great-grandfather, then her son, then her grandfathers sons or grandsons, then her brother through both parents (full brother), then her brother through her father, then the sons of her brother through both parents, then the sons of her brother through her father, then her uncle (her father’s brother through both parents), then her father’s brother through the father, then the sons of her father’s brother though both parents, then the sons of her father’s brother through the father, then whoever is more closely related, and so on – as is the case with inheritance. The Muslim leader (or his deputy, such as a qaadi or judge) is the walee for any woman who does not have a walee of her own. And Allaah knows best.

14-10-2005, 17:48
Question : What is the correct Islamic procedure for a marriage ceremony, I mean if two Muslims are married (legally) without the presence of a religious "person" (like imam etc.), does that mean the marriage is non-existent in terms of Islam? Answer : All praise is due to Allaah. A marriage contract is valid in Islam if the following conditions are met, even if the marriage does not take place in a court, or in the presence of a Judge or the Imaam of the masjid. In addition, it does not need to be written. # The waliy (guardian) of the girl has accepted the proposal by saying, for example, "I marry you my daughter", and the one who proposed has replied, for example, by " I accept," or "I am satisfied" (i.e. with his acceptance). # This takes place in the presence of two witnesses # The woman is legally eligible to marry the man according to Islamic shari'ah (that is she is not a Mahram of the proposer [those to whom the proposer is forbidden to marry. etc.]) Allah knows best.

14-10-2005, 18:39
salaamoe aleikoum oegtie, Ga met je man naar een imaam en ga daar islamitisch trouwen. Dan ben je zeker dat je voor de wet van Allah getrouwd bent inshallah....wel een moskee van ahoel soennah natuurlijk. Je kan naar tawhied van amsterdam of moskee soennah van den haag gaan. En nee nederlandse huwelijkakte heeft totaal geen waarde in de Shari'iah. Zoals broeder Abou Moussa al heeft aangetoond, moet een islamitisch huwelijk voldoen aan bepaalde voorwaarden. In het kort: toestemming beide partijen walie van de vrouw 2 getuigen vaststellen van mahr Wa allahu a'lam. Dit hoeft niet per se bij een imaam te gebeuren, kan ook thuis tussen jou en zijn familie volgens de Soennah. Het hoeft ook niet per se schriftelijk vastgesteld te worden, maar tegenwoordig is dat wel beter om je rechten te waarborgen. En als je islamitisch getrouwd bent, kondig het dan ook aan aan de mensen...dat is ook van de Soennah. Dus niet stiekem houden, voordat mensen over je gaan praten. Marokkanen, je weet toch... wasalaamoe aleikoum, je zus fiedien