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helpeven
07-03-2012, 16:02


Even een vraagje Als iemand getrouwd is in marokko en in Belgie woont, de vrouw woont in Marokko en de man in Belgie. De man heeft geen papieren, en nu wilt hij met iemand gezinsheriniging doen, ze vragen hem een ongehuwde verklaring, kan de belgische staat checken of hij nog getrouwd is in marokko?

maaltje
07-03-2012, 16:05
3la garwitabarwita :stoned::stoned:

KidaMieshMoemkin
07-03-2012, 16:12
hoe kan ie nou aan gezinshereniging doen, als ie geeneens zelf papieren heeft.

helpeven
07-03-2012, 16:13
Dat meisje gaat vor hem gezinshereniging doen, hij is illegaal en die meisje niet, ze heeft de NL paspoort

KidaMieshMoemkin
07-03-2012, 16:22


jammer dat je niet meteen duidelijk bent zodat ik je ook meteen kon helpen. nu moet ik weg.

kinderoppas
08-03-2012, 12:10
:maf: lang leven de illie"s

sannee
08-03-2012, 12:18
Hy heeft leg als hy om gezinshereniging gaat vragen. Ze schoppen hem gelijk terug.

Madame-Yasmina
08-03-2012, 12:49
Je bent niet duidelijk! Als de man zelf geen papieren heeft kan die nooit een gezinshereniging aanvragen.. Hij moet eerst zijn papiueren in orde maken! En mevrouw zelf woont in marokko? Hoe komt ze aan een Nederlandse paspoort?

moslimaatjuh09
08-03-2012, 14:05
v olgens mij wilt ie een andere vrouw dan zijn eigen vrouw papieren laten maken voor hem

moslimaatjuh09
08-03-2012, 14:12
Ruling on getting married and divorced on paper in order to have residency in a kaafir country What is your opinion about a person who falsely divorces his wife, i.e. formally having the divorce contract, without saying the word of talaaq actually to her? This enables him to marry a European woman in order to get a residency. Then he will divorce the European woman and return his first wife to him afterwards. What is the ruling on this matter?. Praise be to Allaah. Firstly: Marriage is a serious covenant and it is one of the most important rulings of sharee’ah, by means of which intimacy becomes permissible and rights such as the mahr (dowry) and inheritance are proven, and children are attributed to their father, and other rulings. By means of divorce, a woman becomes haraam for her husband and is deprived of inheritance, and she becomes permissible for other men to marry, subject to well known conditions. Our aim in explaining all this is to alert the Muslims to the necessity of not using these two contracts in ways other than that which has been prescribed by Allaah, and not using them as tricks. We have seen – unfortunately – men who will marry a woman not so that the intimacy with her which was forbidden becomes permissible, and not so as to form a family with her – as is the aim of the shar’i contract – but so as to attain some worldly purpose, such as registering land, or getting a licence to open a business, or to get residency, or to enable the woman to travel outside her country. In none of this cases is the man a husband or the woman a wife in the real sense, rather he is a husband on paper only! It is not more than ink on paper. This is a kind of toying with the rulings of sharee’ah. It is not permissible to do it or to take part in it, and it is essential to try to stop it when the aim is to achieve some haraam purpose, such as the one who does that in order to get residency in a non-Muslim country. The same may be said with regard to divorce. It is a shar’i ruling and it is not permissible for anyone to take it lightly or to toy with its rulings. They call that a divorce on paper. These people should all realize that they are sinning by doing this. Allaah has not prescribed marriage and divorce so that the wife might be a name on the contract with no rulings and rights. They should realize that the rulings come into effect merely by virtue of the contract being done, if the conditions and essential parts of it are fulfilled, and that if any of these are missing it is invalid, and that divorce from the husband takes place if the words are merely uttered. There is no such thing in sharee’ah as marriage on paper and divorce on paper. The sin is further compounded if it is done in order to do something that is haraam in the first place, such as one who uses it to avoid giving people their rights or paying debts to them, or if a woman uses it to get help given to divorcees by a state or institution, or so that she can live in a non-Muslim state where it is not permissible for her to reside, and other invalid, haraam aims. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The Lawgiver forbids treating the Verses (Laws) of Allaah as a jest (al-Baqarah 2:231) and forbids a man to speak of the Verses of Allaah which are binding contracts except in a serious manner as they are meant to be. Hence it is forbidden to take them lightly and or to marry a divorced woman in order to divorce her so that it will be permissible for her to go back to her first husband. This is indicated by the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning): “And treat not the Verses (Laws) of Allaah as a jest” [al-Baqarah 2:231], and by the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “What is the matter with people who toy with the sacred limits of Allaah and make a mockery of His verses (laws), (and say), I divorce you, I take you back, I divorce you, I take you back?” It should be understood that toying with them is haraam. End quote. Al-Fataawa al-Kubra (6/65). Based on this: If a man marries a woman who is permissible for him, and it is done in accordance with the conditions prescribed in sharee’ah, with the essential parts being fulfilled and in the absence of any impediments, then it is a valid marriage with all that that implies. If a man divorces his wife verbally, it counts as a divorce, even if he does not intend it as such. As for a written divorce that is not uttered out loud, that is subject to further discussion as explained in the answer to question no. 72291. Secondly: Marrying that European woman for the purpose of obtaining residency and then divorcing her is a haraam action. We have quoted the fatwa of Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz prohibiting such actions in the answer to question no. 2886. This applies if he marries her without fulfilling the conditions of marriage, such as if he marries her without a guardian, or if there is any impediment to the validity of the marriage, such as if she is a zaaniyah who has not repented, or she is not one of the people of the Book (i.e., Jewish or Christian), in which case marriage to her is haraam and is invalid. If he marries her in a marriage that fulfils all the necessary parts and conditions, and is free of any impediments, then his marriage is valid with all that that implies, but his intention is forbidden. Thirdly: These reprehensible actions of obtaining a divorce paper for the first wife and marrying another woman for the purpose of obtaining residency, then divorcing her, include two other things that are haraam: 1 – Trickery, lying and giving false witness, because it is deceiving the state and tricking it in order to obtain nationality, which is haraam. 2 – He wants to do the divorce and marriage on paper in order to get residency in a kaafir country, but in our religion it is forbidden to settle among the kuffaar unnecessarily, because of the great danger that this poses to one’s religious commitment and morals, and to the individual and the family. It was narrated from Jareer ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disavow any Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (2645) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. This has also been discussed in the answer to question no. 27211. What we advise our brothers to do is to fear Allaah, may He be exalted, with regard to shar’i contracts and not to use them as means to worldly ends, and to refrain altogether if the purposes are haraam. They should fear Allaah with regard to their wives and children, and think about the great hardship that their actions may lead to, or the deprivation of rights and other negative consequences that may result from doing these contracts in this corrupt manner. And Allaah knows best. http://islamqa.info/en/ref/103432

BSG_
08-03-2012, 14:26
v olgens mij wilt ie een andere vrouw dan zijn eigen vrouw papieren laten maken voor hem Je hebt gelijk..ik moest eerst een paar x lezen voordat ik het eindelijk begreep. Dus meneer is gehuwd zijn vrouw woont in marokko..heeft nu een andere vrouw leren kennen met een nl paspoort en het meisje mt de nl nationaliteit gaat dus voor hem gezinshereniging aanvragen. Nu is haar vraag dus eigenlijk ...kunnen ze in belgie erachter komen dat hij al gehuwd is? Duuuuuuh komen ze daar achter hij moet een hele stapel papieren inleveren zoiets kun je in marokko mss wel flikken met 2vrouwen tegelijk gehuwd zijn maar in europa gaat dat helaas niet..dat betekend dat hij moet scheiden van zijn huidige vrouw in marokko...zodat hij hier mss papiertjes gaat krijgen.

7am9a
08-03-2012, 14:27
3la garwitabarwita :stoned::stoned: hhhhhhhhh sorry ik moest lachen om je reactie.

BSG_
08-03-2012, 14:30


Ik ken ook iemand die een 2e vrouw is gehuwd.. En hij is op papier gescheiden van zijn eerste vrouw ....en alleen maar zodat vrouw nr2 naar nl kan komen. Dan denk ik bij me eigen..je wilt ze3ma de sunnah volgen ...maar je gaat wel liegen en scheiden op papier van je eerste vrouw. Schandalig geen woorden voor bah kots op zulke mannen..Dat je een 2evrouw wilt ala maar scheiden van je eerste vrouw is gewoon ziek.La hawla wala kuwata illah billah.:(

sensitivewomen
08-03-2012, 14:32
Ik kan je niet pmen :hihi: Maar ik ben jeweetwel :knipoog: alles goed lieverd hoe gaat het met dochter? InshAllah alles goed? Je hebt gelijk..ik moest eerst een paar x lezen voordat ik het eindelijk begreep. Dus meneer is gehuwd zijn vrouw woont in marokko..heeft nu een andere vrouw leren kennen met een nl paspoort en het meisje mt de nl nationaliteit gaat dus voor hem gezinshereniging aanvragen. Nu is haar vraag dus eigenlijk ...kunnen ze in belgie erachter komen dat hij al gehuwd is? Duuuuuuh komen ze daar achter hij moet een hele stapel papieren inleveren zoiets kun je in marokko mss wel flikken met 2vrouwen tegelijk gehuwd zijn maar in europa gaat dat helaas niet..dat betekend dat hij moet scheiden van zijn huidige vrouw in marokko...zodat hij hier mss papiertjes gaat krijgen.

Madame-Yasmina
08-03-2012, 14:40
:maf: ik begreep er niks van maar la 7aula wala quata ila bi allah!


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