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SaifelIslam
23-02-2008, 00:36


salamo aleykom is het dohr en asr samen bidden toegestaan onder voorwaarden ofniet?hetzelfde ook voor elmaghreb en isha gebed,mag je ze samen bidden ofniet? want shi3a bidden drie keer per dag en zeggen dat de profeet dat ook deed,ya3ni dohr en asr samen bidden zonder geldig reden. weet iemand hier wat over? graag met bronnen uit quran wa sunna alvast bedankt wa aleykom selam

oemaya
23-02-2008, 09:54
Wa alaikoem Salaam warahmatulah. Wij dienen 5 keer per dan onze gebeden te verrichten. Voor zo ver ik weet is het alleen toegestaan Om je gebeden Samen te voegen en te verkorten Tijdens de reis. PS:dat de chiieten Dit beweren zegt al genoeg:moe:Dus verricht je 5 gebeden (optijd) voor dat je die tekort komt Bij allah(Swt) Want dat is het eerste waarover wij gevraagd zullen worden.

natura_hoceima
23-02-2008, 10:09
salamo aleykom is het dohr en asr samen bidden toegestaan onder voorwaarden ofniet?hetzelfde ook voor elmaghreb en isha gebed,mag je ze samen bidden ofniet? want shi3a bidden drie keer per dag en zeggen dat de profeet dat ook deed,ya3ni dohr en asr samen bidden zonder geldig reden. weet iemand hier wat over? graag met bronnen uit quran wa sunna alvast bedankt wa aleykom selam Vijf dingen zijn fard (sahada, salaat, zakaat, saum en hadji)waaronder vijf keer het gebed plus soenna moe'akad ook verplicht als je de soenna volgt. De profeet vrede zij met hem zei, na mij komen 72/73 verschillende sektes en dat zijn allemaal dwalingen.!

natura_hoceima
23-02-2008, 10:12
selam wa alikoem wa rahmtoeh allah wa barktoeh ik heb jammer genoeg geen daliel maar voor zover ik weet mag je het gebde dhor en asr niet bij een bidden tenzij je een lange reis maakt qua mehgrehb en isha mag alleen gezamelijk gebeden worden als jij meteen gaat slapen omdat je dus de volgende dag een vroege dag hebt om tewerken en lange reis moet maken wa allah a3lehm Ja, het gebed moet je dus apart bidden tenzij je gaat reizen meer dan een bepaald km.

Ayman_
23-02-2008, 10:29


het is 3adi om je gebed samen te voegen :goedzo: heeft de profeet [s] ook gedaan.. maar natuurlijk is beter als je ze apart op hun tijdstippen gaat bidden :goedzo: Why combine Namaze Zohr-Asr and Maghrib-Isha?http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/praying.jpgSome people ask why shia pray Namaze Zohr and Namaze Asr together, Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha together, while majority of Muslims are praying these Namazes separately and the name of every Namaz is different? To reply to this question, we should put forward our principles in all our religious matters that we are following what exactly the Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W.) was doing. In our Namaz, how to pray Namaz, the timings of Namaz, and preparation for Namaz e.g. Wazu etc. and all things concerned with Namaz, we take it from the Prophet (S.A.W.) through the most authentic source which is Ahlul Bayt (A.S.) Not only Namaz but also all other Ahkaam (Rules). Every Hokm (Rule) in the Sharish we take from the Quran and from the Prophet (S.A.W). Obviously, all Muslim sects inspite of their differences, are claiming to be following Quran and Sunnat. But simply claiming without sufficient evidences does not prove any fact. We have full and complete proofs that the Sunnat which we follow is the real and original and pure Sunnat, being conveyed to us by the topmost authentic personalities i.e., Ahlul Bayt (A.S.) who lived with the Prophet and knew each and everything about his sayings and his deeds. The interpretation and understanding of Quran depends also on Hadeeths. Only authentic Hadeeth can be considered in this regard i.e., Real and pure Sunnat is the only way, to understand Quran. As a result, we clearly observe that real and pure Sunnat, which we got through Ahlul Bayt (A.S.), is the only way to follow Quran and the Prophet (S.A.W.). How to pray Namaz?http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic01.gifReal Muslim should follow the Prophet (S.A.W.) in all details of his faith, worship, deeds and morals. http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic02.gifBut because of the special importance of Namaz being the Pillar of Deen, the Prophet (S.A.W.) ordered all Muslims strictly to pray exactly as he was praying. It means clearly that. (A) If the Prophet (S.A.W.) was doing something regularly all times in his Namaaz, that thing becomes Wajib e.q: reciting Sure Al-Hamd in the first two Rakaats. No Muslim can leave deliberately this Wajib being compulsory. (B) If the Prophet (S.A.W.) never did something while praying. Namaz that it is Haraam e.g. praying Namaze Asr and Namaze Maghrib together which was never done by the Prophet, i.e. it is Haraam. (C) If the Prophet (S.A.W.) was doing something sometimes, it means that things is allowed and permissible (Jaez) e.g. praying at Masjid or at home, reciting long sura or short sura after Al-Hamd in the first two rakaats. Praying Zohr and Asr together, or Maghrib and Isha together is another example of Namaz, which the prophet (S.A.W.) was doing many times, simply and willingly and purposely without any extraordinary circumstances such as rain or travelling or war, or Hajj etc. We are praying Namaz together simply because all proofs and all evidences clearly show that the Prophet (S.A.W.) was praying Zohar and Asr together, and Maghrib and Isha together. We do not claim that he was always praying together, otherwise it would have been Wajib to pray together, but since he was praying together many times, and without any extraordinary circumstances, it means that it is permissible (Jaez). It also means that it is Sunnat-e-Rasool (S.A.W.). We do not believe that it is compulsory (Wajib) to pray together always, because Prophet (S.A.W.) was praying sometimes separately. But we wonder how could some Muslims claim praying together as Haraam, inspite of having authentic proofs that the Prophet himself was doing it. When the Prophet (S.A.W.) himself was doing it, it means that it is Sunnat, being his act, then by believing and acting on this way of praying Zohar and Asr together we are really following the Prophet and implementing his Sunnat, because we believe it Wajib and must not only to follow him in this point but also in all the other parts of Shariat. Namaz Timing in QuranWe would like to refer to the Holy Quran and see the timings of Namaz which were given from Allah Ta'ala to the Muslims. First Ayat: Ayat No. 78 in sure Bani Israil ALLAH, the Most Exalteds says: http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic03.gif "Keep up prayers when declining of sun, till the darkness of the night, and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed". In this Ayat, Allah Ta'ala clearly gives the timings of Namaz as follows. 1. When declining of Sun: Which is the beginning time of Namaze Zohr and Namaze Asr. 2. The darkness of the night: Which is the beginning of Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha. It is useful to state that the timing of Maghrib Namaz and Iftar of fasting differ between Shias who are followers of Real Islam through Ahlul bayt (A.S.) and other Muslims who mainly follow either Abu Hanifa, Shaafeie, Mealik, or Ibne Hambal. Shia Muslims believe that time of Maqhrib Namaaz start after vanishing of the reddish light in the west, which is reflection of sunlight when sun is unseen in east. This again proves that time of Maghrib Namaze is beginning of the night, which exactly is the time considered by Shia Muslims. 3. The Morning recitation: Which is the time of morning prayers. It is mentioned in the Ahadith (traditions) that (Morning recitation is surely being witnessed) because the Angels of Night along with Angels of Day, both witness the Morning Prayer. It is clear from this Ayat that main timing for Namaz are three, First: Zohar and Asr Second: Maghrib and Isha Third: Morning Let us see the second Ayat: Ayat No. 114 in Sure Hood ALLAH, the Most Exalteds says: http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic04.gif "And keep up prayer in the two sides of the day and in the beginning of the night, surely good deeds take away evil deeds. That is a reminder to the mindful". In this, Ayat timings of Namaz are given again clearly as Three main times, as follows: First & Second: The sides of the day; which means morning which is the beginning side of the day, and Afternoon which is the other side of the day, when Zohr and Asr Namaz time starts. Third: In the beginning of the night; which is the time of Magrib and Isha Namaz. It is then very clear that timing of Namaz in Quran, are three main items for five prayers. First: From Afternoon unto ***ore sunset: for Namaze Zohr then Namaze Asr. Second: From Real Sunset when Night starts beings the time for Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha. Third: Morning Namaz. Timings of Namaz of the Prophet (S.A.W.)All muslims believe in the principle of combining timings of Zohar and Asr, and Maghrib and Isha, but Non Shia claim that this combining is allowed in certain circumstances such as rainy climate, travelling specially while in pilgrimage (Arafat) or in illness, or war, while Shia Muslims give strong evidences that the Prophet (S.A.W.) was combining the Namaz without these restrictions. The important Books of Traditions e.g: Al-kaafi, Al-Faqeeh, Al-Estibsar, and Al-Tahzeeb, contain big number of Traditions from the prophet (S.A.W.) and Ahlul Bayt (A.S.) that the Prophet (S.A.W.) was praying Zohar and Asr, and Maghrib and Isha together in the ordinary and normal days. But we will not refer to these books because they are Shia books and we want to prove the fact to the Non-Shia, far that we will prove it from their own books which are considered by them as the main source of Shariat after Quran.

Ayman_
23-02-2008, 10:29
First Hadeeth: - In Saheeh Muslim - which is considered by Sunnis, along with Saheeh Bukhari, as most authentic books after Quran - In the Chapter, of (combining two Prayers) http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic05.gif Ibn Abbas said - that the Prophet (S.A.W.) prayed Zohr and Asr in Medina together without any cause for fear and without travelling. Then Ibn Abbas was asked: Why the Prophet did that. He replied: - He did not want anybody from his Ummah to face difficulty. Second Hadeeth: - In Saheehul Bukhari - which is the topmost book among Sunnis. The Chapter of delaying Zohr Namaaz upto Asr, from the part of Narmaz timing. http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic06.gif Ibn Abbas said that the Prophet (S.A.W.) prayed in Medina seven Rakaat and Eight Rakat (means Maghrib and Isha seven and Zohr and Asr eight). Third Hadeeth: - In Saheehul Bukhari from Ibn Abbas that the Prophet prayed Zohr and Asr together and Maghrib and Isha together, without any cause for fear or travelling. http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic07.gif Ibn Abbas was asked why, He replied: The Prophet did not want to cause difficulty far his Ummah. Fourth Hadeeth: - Al-Tabarani from Abdullah lbn Masoud said that the Prophet (S.A.W.) prayed Zohr and Asr together and Maghrib and Isha together, and when he was asked why he prayed together, he said: - I did this, not to put my Ummah in difficulty. This Hadeeth is mentioned in Sharh Al Mowatta'a by Al-zargani Vol. 1 page 263. Fifth Hadeeth: - Abdulla Ibn Umar had been asked: Why the Prophet was praying Zohr and Asr together and Maghrib and Isha together without travelling and without cause for fear? Abdulla Ibn Umar replied: - He did that not to put his Ummah in difficulty. This Hadeeth is mentioned in the famous book Kanz Al-Ommaal Vol. 4 page 242. Sixth Hadeeth: - In Saheeh Muslim that Ibn Abbas said: - We used to pray two Namaaz together in the time of the Prophet (S.A.W.). http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic08.gif It is to be mentioned that Muslim in his Saheeh had kept special chapter for (combining two Namaz without travel) in which he had mentioned more than ten authentic Hadeeths proving that the prophet (S.A.W.) was praying together without any restriction. The reason of combining of two Namaz is clearly mentioned in the traditions (Ahadeeth) that not to keep the Muslims in difficulty, because separating Zohr from Asr, and Maghrib from Isha, causes sometimes hardships and difficulty, specially, for working and busy people. The difficulty may cause in leaving praying Namaz, as we see among many Sunnis, who cannot easily pray five separate times because it is not practical for them. Some Important BenefitsCombining two Namaaz is a facility and bounty and gift from Allah Taala to the believers, because He knows that this is the practical way to pray, for many persons and in many circumstances. Nobody has right to close this gate of mercy, which was opened by Allah and practiced many times by the Prophet (S.A.W.) himself. Combining, two Namaz has got apart from the benefit mentioned, other benefits one of which is shown in the Hadeeth, saying that a man complained to Imam Hasan Askari (A.S.) that he was rich and become poor. Imam (A.S.) told him: - Combine two Namaz, then you will see what you like. http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic09.gif ConclusionFrom all these evidences from Quran and authentic Ahaadeeth it is obviously proved that Praying Zohr and Asr together, and Maghrib and Isha together is the real Sunnat and way of the Prophet (S.A.W.). Those who deny that are denying real Sunnat, and objecting on a work which was, done by the Prophet himself. Those who are following the real Islam who are called Shia are following the Prophet and practicing whatever he was saying and doing. http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/arabic10.gif Courtesy: Hujjatul Islam Agha Sayed Mohammed Al-Musawi Timings http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/images/namaz.gif Hence from the above discussion, we can represent the timings of Namaz in a form of a circle (day & night) as shown above, and the detail timings are given in the below table. Prayer:Start Time:Specific Time:Sharing Time:End Time:(Al-Fajr) DawnFrom dawn when a brightness appears in the eastern horizon at the end of the night.From dawn and ends with the appearance of the twilight in the eastern horizon. When the red rays appear in the eastern horizon.(Al-Zohr) NoonWhen the sun is perpendicular slightly over it position or when the sun is travels towards slightly the west over half way in the horizon.From noon to the time when the shadow of an object becomes equal to its length, which usually takes 15 minutes till the noon prayer performance.Between the noon and the after noon specific time.End of Sharing time.(Al-Asr) AfternoonBegins from the time when the specific time for the noon prayer ends.Just ***ore sunset enough for afternoon prayer performance.Between the noon and the after noon specific time.To the time of sunset.(Al-Magrib) SunsetWhen the sun disappears in the western horizon the eastern sky darken and the western sky turns reddish.From the sunset start time till the Magrib prayer performance.Between the sunset specification time and evening specific time.End of sharing time.(Al-Isha) EveningStarts from the time when the specific time for the sunset prayer ends.Just ***ore Midnight till midnight time enough for the night prayer performance.Between the sunset and the evening specific time.Midnight

natura_hoceima
23-02-2008, 10:31
Of het 3adi is allahoe 3lem, me ma is nu onderweg naar NL kan haar dus niet vragen de rest slaapt nog.

Ayman_
23-02-2008, 11:46
Of het 3adi is allahoe 3lem, me ma is nu onderweg naar NL kan haar dus niet vragen de rest slaapt nog. de profeet [s] deed het dus het is 3adi ja :goedzo: en je moeder terjja3 bel salame inshallah

SaifelIslam
23-02-2008, 17:19
de profeet [s] deed het dus het is 3adi ja :goedzo: en je moeder terjja3 bel salame inshallah kun je m wat info geven over wat de geleerdes van ahlu sunna wa jama3a erover zeggen? de tekst komt van een shia bron,dus vertrouw ik niet zo snel en aangezien je het hier plaats mt gemak,neem ik aan dat er vast en zeker ook geleerde van ahlu sunna wal jama3a wat gezegd hebben.:goedzo: