VS doden in irak nog hoger dan de eerste jaren van de Vietnam oorlog

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US War Dead in Iraq Exceeds Early Vietnam Years uploaded 14 Nov 2003 US War Dead in Iraq Exceeds Early Vietnam Years November 14, 2003 by David Morgan PHILADELPHIA - The U.S. death toll in Iraq has surpassed the number of American soldiers killed during the first three years of the Vietnam War, the brutal Cold War conflict that cast a shadow over U.S. affairs for more than a generation. A Reuters analysis of Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000. By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where U.S. forces number about 130,000 troops -- the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965. The casualty count for Iraq apparently surpassed the Vietnam figure last Sunday, when a U.S. soldier killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack south of Baghdad became the conflict's 393rd American casualty since Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 20. Larger still is the number of American casualties from the broader U.S. war on terrorism, which has produced 488 military deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Southwest Asia and other locations. Statistics from battle zones outside Iraq show that 91 soldiers have died since Oct. 7, 2001, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which President Bush launched against Afghanistan's former Taliban regime after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington killed 3,000 people. The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty. Recent opinion polls show public support for the president eroding as he heads toward the 2004 election, partly because of public concern over the deadly cycle of guerrilla attacks and suicide bombings in Iraq. On Thursday, heavy gunfire and explosions echoed across Baghdad as U.S. troops pounded rebel positions for a second night, and administration officials sought ways to accelerate a transfer of power to the Iraqi people. U.S. COMBAT POWER Because U.S. involvement in Vietnam increased gradually after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, there is little consensus on when the war in Southeast Asia began. Some date the war to the late 1950s. Others say it began on Aug. 5, 1964, when Lyndon Johnson announced air strikes against North Vietnam in retaliation for a reported torpedo attack on a U.S. destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin. However, the Army's start date for the Vietnam War has been set by its Center of Military History as Dec. 11, 1961, when two helicopter companies consisting of 32 aircraft and 400 soldiers arrived in the country, an Army public affairs specialist said. "It was the first major assemblage of U.S. combat power in Vietnam," explained Army historian Joe Webb. Vietnam casualties, which amounted to 25 deaths from 1956 through 1961, climbed to 53 in 1962, 123 in 1963 and 216 in 1964, Pentagon statistics show. At the time, the U.S. presence in Vietnam consisted mainly of military advisers. President John F. Kennedy increased their number from about 960 in 1961 to show Washington's commitment to containing communism. But not until 1965, after Congress had approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, did Washington begin its massive escalation of the war effort. With a huge influx of soldiers, casualties in Vietnam soared to 1,926 in 1965 and peaked at 16,869 in 1968, the year of the Tet Offensive, data show. In a major revision of U.S. military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred. More than 58,000 U.S. military personnel died in Vietnam before the war ended in the mid-1970s. In another comparison, British forces that created Iraq in the aftermath of World War One suffered 2,000 casualties from tribal reprisals, guerrilla attacks and a jihad proclaimed from the Shi'ite holy city of Kerbala, before conditions stabilized in 1921, according to U.S. military scholars. Reuters included military deaths both on and off the battlefield for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, for comparison with Vietnam War statistics that made no distinction between hostile and non-hostile casualties. On Thursday, U.S. combat deaths totaled 270 for Iraq and 28 for other battle zones, including Afghanistan. Source: Reuters

[sneakynawal]

Zomaar kopieer jij iets.....

[an3sdej]

Ja zeer gemakkelijk dit artikel. Als je de geschiedenis zou kennen, weet je ook dat de eerste jaren er maar zeer weinig Amerikanen in Vietnam waren. Dat de oorlog na de Franse tijd geleidelijk overging in betrokkenheid van de VS daar.

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Dit was na dien bien phu kneus.De statistieken beginnen wanneer de Amerikanen massaal vietnam bezetten. En Reuters heeft deze artikel geschreven ik denk dat ze meer verstand van zaken hebben dan jij.

[ABD]

ach weet u, de aantallen doden zijn niet van belang al wilt de vs dat wel op die manier naar buiten doen komen. die yankees zijn verwend tot aan het bot, elke dode is voor hun teveel. kwa mentaal opzicht staat 1 dode van nu misschien wel gelijk aan 100 doden van toen. we moeten natuurlijk ook niet vergeten dat de strijd nog maar net begonnen is he zoals "vriend" duivel-bush ons wilt vertellen

[HeyoanQT]

Volgens mij gewoon een kwestie van jaloezie :rolleyes:

[Peej]

Reuters. Hoe kan een westers persbureau, gevestigd in de hoofdstad van een van de hoofdbezetters van Irak (Londen) nou objectief zijn. De westerse pers is toch niet te vertrouwen. Volgens mij is Reuters zelfs in Joodse handen (maar ik kan het mis hebben).

[Scottie]

Nou, Peej, "Always look at the bright side of life." en daar zie jij alleen maar joods-zionistisch-crypto-marxistische complotten ... ? Scottie.

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Peej dit zijn gewoon feiten je kan er niet omheen,maar reuters en the guardian zijn goede objectieve bronnen vind ik in tegenstelling tot cnn en andere media bronnen Bremer, Iraq Council Meet; Soldier Killed Saturday November 15, 2003 11:46 AM By SLOBODAN LEKIC Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Chief U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer met with Iraq's Governing Council on Saturday to present Washington's latest policy proposals aimed at restoring Iraq's sovereignty within six or seven months. A roadside bomb killed a U.S. soldier, the 400th to die since the war began in March. Bremer met in Baghdad Friday with Jalal Talabani, the head of the Iraqi Governing Council, to discuss Washington's new policy proposals regarding a return of Iraqi sovereignty, said Mahmoud Othman, a member of the body. Othman did not specify what the proposals were, but said Bremer, who has just returned from talks with Bush administration officials, was meeting with the full council on Saturday, he said. Senior administration officials told The Associated Press that the proposed changes include forming a new government before a constitution is written, thus effectively granting Iraq sovereignty by the middle of 2004. Previously, the Bush administration has insisted that a new charter be written and adopted before general elections are held, a process that was likely to last at least another year. If the reported scenario is accurate, it appears the Bush administration has abandoned its own formula for transferring sovereignty and accepted one whose broad outlines coincide with council demands. The administration's goal appears to be to shift security responsibility to the Iraqis to reduce U.S. casualties before next year's presidential election in the United States. A spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress, a political group led by council member Ahmad Chalabi, said a better way of moving forward would be to give the U.S.-picked council sovereign powers and leave intact the Cabinet it appointed in September. ``We are calling for a provisional government as a temporary solution for a limited period of time,'' spokesman Entifadh Qanbar said. He added that Chalabi, a moderate Shiite with close Pentagon links, supported the drafting of a new constitution by delegates sent to a national convention by provincial caucuses made up of prominent tribal leaders, academics, legal experts and leaders of civil society. The insurgency, initially centered in the so-called Sunni Triangle of central Iraq, now appears to be spreading to the north and south of the country. On Saturday, a roadside bomb exploded next to a patrol in Baghdad's northern Ad Hamiah neighborhood killing a U.S. soldier and injuring two others, a statement said. The wounded were evacuated to a military hospital in central Baghdad, it said. The dead soldier was the 400th U.S. serviceman to die in Iraq since hostilities started March 20. The British military has reported 52 deaths so far in Iraq. Sixteen Italian service members also have died, along with one soldier each from Denmark, Spain, Ukraine and Poland. Troops from the 101st Airborne Division arrested eight people suspected of conducting attacks against coalition forces and of belonging to the Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary group, the military said Saturday. One more Iraqi wanted for attacks on U.S. forces turned himself in, the military said. Separately, the Coalition for Iraqi National Unity turned in to U.S. troops one surface to air missile, 11 anti-tank missiles, 38 RPG boosters and four RPG rounds. ABC News reported that Washington's new proposals also call for provincial leaders to meet in the spring to choose delegates for an assembly, which would elect a transitional government by next summer. The United States would hand over power to this body. The U.S. administration agreed to a plan by the Iraqi leadership to speed up the transfer of power, and give Iraqis control over their own wealth and political affairs while maintaining the presence of coalition forces, the New York Times said. Meanwhile, attacks against coalition troops and their allies continued to claim more victims. In the northern city of Mosul, Khalid Victor, a translator working for the municipal administration and his son were killed Saturday when gunmen opened fire at their car, officials said. ``It's obvious that they are targeting all Iraqis working with Americans,'' said a city official who declined to give his name. In Australia, Defense Minister Robert Hill said the U.S.-led coalition may have underestimated the desire of fighters loyal to deposed leader Saddam Hussein to fight back in postwar Iraq, media reports said Saturday. ``With the benefit of hindsight, and of course in a country awash with arms, it now seems much more logical ... that they would attempt to fight back,'' he was quoted as saying by the Australian Associated Press.

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Amerika is al bezig met haar praktijken die ze in Vietnam deed alleen nog niet in grote schalen en dat komt nog dat weet je zelf.