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12-03-2007, 18:12

Citaat door Al_Jafari:
mlihhhhhhhh??? ;d



jip me buren zijn ook sijieten.

12-03-2007, 18:12



Citaat door Al_Jafari:


boreder yunus!! ik zie dat je online bent!!
en ik zie dat je kieskeurig wilt reageren en op de vragen die op jou gericht zijn niet antwoord wilt geven!!
noem je dit niet de vragen ontlopen omdat je geen antwoord op hebt????????
paar van voorbeelden zijn reactie's 206,7,,8 en 209!!
en het gaan om nu maar 2 dingen
1: dat je beweerd had dat alle profeten en imams door feit dat ze mensen zijn konden fouten maken en hebben ook fouten gemaakt!!
2: dat je in topic imamat van uit sjia kijkpunt, hoefte maar geloven wat in albukhari of sahih moslim en zelfs paar andere wahabiet sites en boek staan en niet eens hoefte je verstand te gebruiken!! en nu ineens wel, bij deze topic reactie:124 !! hoe komt dat dan??

dit waren heel simpele vragen en zelfs je eigen beweeringen!!
shukran



ik begrijp het ook niet

hoe kan iemand nou de profeten beschuldigen van fouten


die beschuldigd Rasoul allah saws van fouten maw beledigd hij rasoul allah saws !

zulke uitspraken zullen de kofar goed gebruiken

En het betaamt de gelovige man of vrouw niet, wanneer Allah en Zijn boodschapper over een zaak hebben beslist, dat er voor hen een keuze zou zijn in die zaak. En wie Allah en Zijn boodschapper niet gehoorzaamt, is zeker klaarblijkelijk afgedwaald

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12-03-2007, 18:20
Do Prophets sin? Do they need forgiveness?

Question:
I have been told by someone claiming to be a Muslim that all God's prophets, including Mohammed, were without sin, (perfect), never requiring forgiveness. Is this a view held officially by Islam as a whole?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

We thank you for sending this question in an effort to find the right answer instead of merely accepting what you have heard from someone who claims to be a Muslim.

“The ummah (Muslim nation) is agreed that the Messengers are infallible in carrying out their mission – they do not forget anything that Allaah has revealed to them except with regard to matters that have been abrogated. They are also infallible in conveying the Message – they do not conceal anything that Allaah has revealed to them, for that would be a betrayal and it is impossible to imagine that they could do such a thing. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘O Messenger! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not ,then you have not conveyed His Message…’ [al-Maa’idah 5:67]. If anything is concealed or changed, then the punishment of Allaah will befall the one who is guilty of doing these things, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And if he [Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)] had forged a false saying concerning Us [Allaah], We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (aorta).’ [al-Haqqah 69:44-46]. One aspect of infallibility is that they (the Prophets) do not forget anything of that which Allaah has revealed to them, and thus no part of the revelation is lost.”

[Al-rusul wa’l-risaalaat (The Messengers and their missions), ‘Omar al-Ashqar, p. 97]

‘Omar al-Ashqar also said (op. cit., p.102): “The Prophets and Messengers may also strive to find the right judgement in the situations with which they are faced, and they judge according to what they themselves see and hear – they do not have knowledge of the Unseen. They may make an incorrect judgement, as happened to the Prophet of Allaah Dawood (David), who failed to do so, and Allaah helped his son Sulaymaan (Solomon) to come up with the right answer in that particular case. Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘There were two women, each of whom had a son. A wolf came and carried off the son of one of them, who said to the other, “The wolf has taken your son.” The other said, “No, he took your son.” They came to Dawood to ask him to judge between them, and he ruled in favour of the older woman. Then they went to Sulaymaan the son of Dawood and told him what had happened. He said, “Bring a knife and divide the child between them.” The younger woman said, “Do not do that, may Allaah have mercy on you! He is her son.” So Sulaymaan ruled in favour of the younger woman.’ (Reported by al-Bukhaari).

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained this story: Umm Salamah, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) narrated that he heard a dispute going on at the door of his apartment, so he went out and told them: ‘I am no more than a human being. Disputing parties may come to me, and one of you may be more eloquent and persuasive than the other, so I may think that he is telling the truth and rule in favour of him. Whoever has a judgement in favour of him to the detriment of a fellow-Muslim’s rights, this is a piece of the Fire – let him take it or leave it.’”

When it comes to the idea of the Prophets committing major sins (kabaa’ir), Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said (in al-Fataawaa, 4/319): “…The belief that the Prophets are free of major sins, but not of minor sins, is the opinion of the majority of Islamic scholars and of all (Muslim) groups… It is the opinion of most mufassireen (commentators on the Qur’an), scholars of hadeeth and fuqaha’ (jurists).”

With regard to whether it is possible for the Prophets to commit minor sins, in Lawaami’ al-Anwaar al-Bahiyyah (2/214), al-Safaareeni quoted from Ibn Hamdaan who said in Nihaayat al-Mubtadi’een: “They are infallible in conveying the commands and message of Allaah, but they are not infallible in any other regard. They may make mistakes, forget things, or commit minor sins – according to the most well-known opinion (of the scholars) – but they will not be approved for these mistakes.”

The majority of scholars take the following as evidence to support their claim that the Prophets are not free from minor sins:

1.

Adam’s sin in eating from the tree from which Allaah had forbidden him to eat. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when We said to the angels, ‘Prostrate yourselves to Adam.’ They prostrated (all) except Iblees (Satan), who refused. Then We said, ‘O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to you and to your wife. So let him not get you both out of Paradise, so that you be distressed in misery. Verily, you have (a promise from Us) that you will never be hungry therein nor naked. And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the sun’s heat. Then Shaytaan whispered to him, saying: ‘O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that shall never waste away?’ Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.” [Ta-Ha 20:116-121]
2.

When Nooh prayed for his kaafir son, Allaah rebuked him for doing so, and taught him that this person was not a member of his family, and that this prayer was not a righteous deed on his part. So Nooh sought forgiveness from his Lord, repented and returned to Allaah: “Nooh said: ‘O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.’” [Hood 11:47 – interpretation of the meaning].
3.

When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: “… and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance.” [Saad 38:24 – interpretation of the meaning].

Everyone, even the Prophets, is in need of the forgiveness of Allaah. Allaah has blessed His Prophets by forgiving their sins, and He has blessed our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as He said (interpretation of the meaning): “That Allaah may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His favour upon you, and guide you on the Straight Path.” [al-Fath 48:2]
4.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said, in al-Fataawaa 10/296, “Concerning the issue of forgiveness of the Prophets’ sins: Allaah, may He be exalted, does not speak of any Prophet in the Qur’aan, except He also mentions repentance and seeking forgiveness. For example, Adam and his wife said: ‘Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” [al-A’raaf 7:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. Nooh said: “O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.’” [Hood 11:47 – interpretation of the meaning]. Ibraaheem said: “Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the Believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established.” [Ibraaheem 14:41 – interpretation of the meaning] and “… You are our wali (Protector), so forgive us and have Mercy on us, for You are the Best of those who forgive. And ordain for us good in this world, and in the Hereafter. Certainly we have turned unto You…” [al-A’raaf 7:155-156 – interpretation of the meaning]. Moosa said: ‘…You are our wali (Protector), so forgive us and have Mercy on us, for You are the Best of those who forgive.’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then he [Ibn Taymiyah, may Allaah have mercy on him] gave further examples, but what we have mentioned here is sufficient. And Allaah knows best.

Lees dit en dan mondje dicht
conclusie , shiiten liegen weer en leggen woorden in mijn mond.

12-03-2007, 18:22

Citaat door sssalima:
Helaas wel, je zelf slaan is geen oplossing en niet van de Islaam, hij had ze vuisten beter tegen de vijand kunnen gebruiken...


Ja

een boks tegen jou domme hoofd

goed om wakker te worden

12-03-2007, 18:25


Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commit sin?

Question:
My question is about the Prophet( ). Some muslims believe that he was sinless while others say he was not. I personally dont think he was sinless cause he was just a human. Can u tell me which is true using Quran or Hadith, please? Thank you very much. Allahu Akbar

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: the use of the word “sin” in the question is a grave mistake, because sin (khatee’ah, pl. khataayaa) is impossible in the case of the Messengers. It is more correct to say mistakes, because a mistake may be made unintentionally, which is not the case with sins.

Secondly: with regard to sins, the Messengers, including Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), never committed any sin intentionally as an act of disobedience towards Allaah after receiving their Mission (risaalah). This is according to the consensus of the Muslims. They were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam and all the sects… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imaams, Sahaabah, Taabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.

(Majmaa’ al-Fataawaa, 4/319).

This question was posed to the Standing Committee on this topic:

Question:

Some people, including the heretics, say that the Prophets and Messengers could make mistakes, i.e., they could make mistakes like all other people. They say that the first mistake ever made was when the son of Adam, Qaabeel, killed Haabeel… and when the two angels came to Dawood, he listened to the first and did not listen to what the second had to say… and the story of Yoonus when the big fish swallowed him; and the story of the Messenger with Zayd ibn Haarithah, they say that he concealed something which he should have declared openly; and with his Sahaabah, he told them, “You know better about your worldly affairs,” and they say that this is because he made a mistake in this regard; and what happened with the blind man, which is referred to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), “(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man…” [‘Abasa 80:1-2]. Could the Prophets and Messengers really make mistakes? How can we respond to these sinners [who say these things]?

Answer:

Yes, the Prophets and Messengers made mistakes, but Allaah did not approve of their mistakes; rather, He pointed out their mistakes as a Mercy to them and their ummahs, and He forgave their mistakes and accepted their repentance as a Grace and Mercy, for Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. This will be clear to anyone who checks out the aayaat of the Qur’aan in which the matters raised in the question are discussed… With regard to the sons of Aadam, even though they were not Prophets… Allaah explained how evil was the deed which he did to his brother…

(Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, no. 6290, 3/194).

Thirdly: before they were given their Mission (risaalah), the scholars have said that it is possible that they may have committed some minor sins, but they were protected from committing major sins such as zinaa, drinking wine, etc.

But after they received their Mission, the correct view is that they may have committed some minor mistakes but this was not approved of and they were rebuked.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said:

Most of the reports from the majority of scholars state that they were not infallible with regard to minor mistakes, but they were not allowed to persist in them; they do not say that this could never happen at all. The first suggestion that they were completely infallible came from the Raafidis, who say that they are so infallible that they could never make any mistake even by way of forgetfulness and misunderstanding.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/320).

They are infallible with regard to conveying the Message from Allaah, may He be exalted.

Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The aayaat which indicate the Prophethood of the Prophets also indicate that they are infallible with regard to the conveying of the Message from Allaah; so what they say can only be true. This is the meaning of Prophethood, which implies that Allaah tells the Prophet something of the Unseen and he tells it to the people. And the Messenger is commanded to call the people to Allaah and to convey the message of his Lord.

(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 18/7)

Fourthly: mistakes which are committed unintentionally are of two types:

With regard to worldly matters: this happened to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). With regard to agriculture, medicine, carpentry, etc., he was like all other people. Allaah did not tell us that he was sent to us as a businessman or a farmer or a carpenter or a doctor. His mistakes in these fields are quite natural and do not impact on his Message at all.

It was reported that Raafi’ ibn Khudayj said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, and they were pollinating the date-palms. He said, “What are you doing?” They said, “We always used to pollinate them.” He said, “Perhaps if you do not do that, it will be better.” So they did not do it, and the harvest was lacking. They mentioned that to him, and he said, “I am only a human being like you. If I tell you to do something with regard to religion, then follow it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, I am only a human being.” (narrated by Muslim, 2361).

We note that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made a mistake in this worldly matter, because he was like all other human beings, but with regard to matters of religion he did not make mistakes.

With regard to unintentional mistakes concerning matters of religion:

The most correct view among the scholars is that the way this happened with regard to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that he might do something which is OK but it was not the more appropriate choice.

He was sometimes faced with issues concerning which there was no shar’i text on which he could base his decision, so he sought to make ijtihaad based on his own opinion, just as any Muslim scholar may make ijtihaad, and if he makes the right decision, he will be given two rewards, and if he makes the wrong decision, he will still be given one reward. This is what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the judge makes ijtihaad and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he makes ijtihaad and gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6919; Muslim, 1716, from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah).

This also happened to him concerning the prisoners of Badr.

Anas said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted the people concerning the prisoners who had been captured on the day of Badr. He said, “Allaah has given you power over them.” ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said, “O people, Allaah has given you power over them and they were your brothers.” ‘Umar stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, strike their necks [execute them]!” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned away from him. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back and said something similar to the people. Abu Bakr stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, why don’t you forgive them and accept payment of ransom from them?” The worried expression left the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he forgave them and accepted their payment of ransom. Then Allaah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allaah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Anfaal 8:67]

Narrated by Ahmad (13143).

We may note that in this case, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not have any clear text so he made ijtihaad and consulted his companions, and he made a mistake in deciding what was the best thing to do.

Cases like this are few in the Sunnah. We have to believe that the Messengers and Prophets are infallible, and we know that they did not disobey Allaah. We should also beware of the words of those who want to cast aspersions on his conveying of the Message by referring to the fact that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made some mistakes with regard to earthly matters. There is a huge difference between the former and the latter. We should also beware of those misguided people who say that some of the rulings of sharee’ah which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us about are his own personal ijtihaad which could be right or wrong. What would these misguided people say in response to the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “Nor does he speak of his own desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired” [al-Najm 53:3]? We ask Allaah to protect us from confusion and misguidance, And Allaah knows best.


Lees ook Sura abbasa watawalla..

12-03-2007, 19:14

Citaat door ElOmr:




draai er niet omheen, ze vroeg of je shia bent....

12-03-2007, 19:15

Citaat door illahlilah:
draai er niet omheen, ze vroeg of je shia bent....


Hij en ik zijn Shia ALHAMDULILLAH problemen mee????

12-03-2007, 19:15

Citaat door Al_Jafari:
ja zuster ;d



moge Allah soubhanahoe wa ta3ala jouw dan leiden.

amin.

12-03-2007, 19:16

Citaat door illahlilah:
moge Allah soubhanahoe wa ta3ala jouw dan leiden.

amin.


Amen en bedankt voor je dua!

12-03-2007, 19:17

Citaat door Al_Jafari:
Hij en ik zijn Shia ALHAMDULILLAH problemen mee????



lahawla wala qouwata illa bilah, zul je bedoelen..

shi3a zijn geen mensen om mee te discuseren. ten eerste ze begaan de ergste shirk.

allahie hdiehoem inchallah.

12-03-2007, 19:20

Citaat door illahlilah:
lahawla wala qouwata illa bilah, zul je bedoelen..

shi3a zijn geen mensen om mee te discuseren. ten eerste ze begaan de ergste shirk.

allahie hdiehoem inchallah.


De grootste vijand van Iblies is de persoon met waarheid! Dus jullie zullen het ook niet leuk vinden om met ons(waarheid) discusseren! Ga je onwetend kennis verhogen en dan pas komen praten! Lees eens de topic en als je iets niet begrijpt of mee eens bent mag je gerust stellen+argumenten en bronnen Dank u wel!


En ja groeten aan je grootvader Yazid!

12-03-2007, 19:26

Citaat door Al_Jafari:
De grootste vijand van Iblies is de persoon met waarheid! Dus jullie zullen het ook niet leuk vinden om met ons(waarheid) discusseren! Ga je onwetend kennis verhogen en dan pas komen praten! Lees eens de topic en als je iets niet begrijpt of mee eens bent mag je gerust stellen+argumenten en bronnen Dank u wel!


En ja groeten aan je grootvader Yazid!



yazid???

er valt niet met jullie te discuseren aangezien jullie vasthouden aan jullie onwetendheid, jullie die graven aanbidden, die buiten allah om hulp vragen, die trouwen voor een paar minuten, en ga zo maar door. het enigste wat ik nog kan doen voor jullie is du3a en vragen aan Allah soubhanahoe wa ta3ala om jullie te leiden.

12-03-2007, 19:32



Citaat door illahlilah:
yazid???

er valt niet met jullie te discuseren aangezien jullie vasthouden aan jullie onwetendheid, jullie die graven aanbidden, die buiten allah om hulp vragen, die trouwen voor een paar minuten, en ga zo maar door. het enigste wat ik nog kan doen voor jullie is du3a en vragen aan Allah soubhanahoe wa ta3ala om jullie te leiden.


Voor alle laaste keer LEES aantal paginas terug heb je je antwoord op je domme onwetend reacties! En hulp aan een ander behalve Allah swt vragen is toegestaan! Kom niet met je onwetend kop binnen vallen ga eens de berichten lezen voordat je je zelf voor schut zet in openbaar!

En ja ga maar meisjesbesnijden, moslims doden, aanslagen plegen en denken dat je naar de janna gaat en zina plegen is ook toegestaan he!

Ga vooral door met je onwetend hoofd dan bereik je tenminste de niveau DOMHEID!! Voordat je aan een ander dua vraagt is zeer goed om eerst voor je zelf dua te vragen neem het als een advies voor later!

12-03-2007, 19:39

Citaat door Al_Jafari:
Voor alle laaste keer LEES aantal paginas terug heb je je antwoord op je domme onwetend reacties! En hulp aan een ander behalve Allah swt vragen is toegestaan! Kom niet met je onwetend kop binnen vallen ga eens de berichten lezen voordat je je zelf voor schut zet in openbaar!

En ja ga maar meisjesbesnijden, moslims doden, aanslagen plegen en denken dat je naar de janna gaat en zina plegen is ook toegestaan he!

Ga vooral door met je onwetend hoofd dan bereik je tenminste de niveau DOMHEID!! Voordat je aan een ander dua vraagt is zeer goed om eerst voor je zelf dua te vragen neem het als een advies voor later!



wat loop jij nou weer te bleren???sinds wanneer zeg ik dat meisjes besnijden mag of moslims doden of wat dan ook?? en over zina gesproken?? maar wat ik niet wist is dat de shi3a door de pc kunnen kijken met wat voor persoon ze praten en wat voor persoon het is...

domheid??


hier iets voor jou:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B9Skwr8Vj5w&mode=related&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzD2IXLqmgw&NR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLkTA-00t_g&NR

12-03-2007, 19:57
up !

Salaam

nog steeds bezig ...

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